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To wonder if muslims judge non-muslim women who do not cover their heads?

170 replies

WinterSnow · 21/06/2011 15:48

Obviously I only mean muslims who cover their head themselves, I realise some muslims do not agree with the practice.

I am curious to know whether as a non-muslim woman who doens't cover her head I would be judged?

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itisnearlysummer · 21/06/2011 16:15

A woman I knew advised that being uncomfortable in the heat was part of it because it showed a commitment.

I don't know if that's true.

But it's what I was told by someone who covered their head.

Can anyone shed any light on that?

upahill · 21/06/2011 16:15

I know some muslim women who don't cover their heads really judge those who do. Quite forceably tbh!!

CrapolaDeVille · 21/06/2011 16:16

Plenty of Muslim men, however, think white women who do not cover are trashy sluts.

itisnearlysummer · 21/06/2011 16:16

that is a good answer ladyshapes!

GwendolineMaryLacey · 21/06/2011 16:16

Thank you :)

LadyShapes · 21/06/2011 16:17

Oh and I once asked her what she thought of other Muslim girls who didn't wear the hijab and she told me that she doesn't judge other people, she just tries to do the best she can. (But then she is lovely and totally non-judgy about anything) Plus she decided herself to wear the hijab, even though none of her family does.

Riveninside · 21/06/2011 16:17

Cos i wear wafty abayas i dont get hot. Im buck nekkid under neath you know Wink

itisnearlysummer · 21/06/2011 16:18

Do you know that crapola?

My mum used to work in a job where she had lots of contact with people.

She was quite impressed that the Muslim men didn't make eye contact with her or touch her hand when handing something over. She'd taken it to be a sign of respect until one of her female Muslim colleagues told her it wasn't respect but because she was unclean.

Can anyone shed any light on that for me too?

itisnearlysummer · 21/06/2011 16:19

buck nekkid! now I like the sound of that! lots of air flow!

worraliberty · 21/06/2011 16:19

Oooh don't like the 'fires of hell' answer if she actually meant it.

It reminds me of growing up as a Catholic. Luckily enough my parents weren't that strict but some of the school Teachers would have you believe you'd burn in hell for shitting every day.

RevoltingPeasant · 21/06/2011 16:22

Riven can I ask a question? Sorry if too personal, but am curious! Grin Did you decide to start covering through a strong personal feeling or is it something you were brought up to do, like your mum always did it and so it was just always the way grown-up women dressed, iyswim?

(sorry, nosy Blush)

EricNorthmansMistress · 21/06/2011 16:23

No itsnearlysummer that's not true.

EricNorthmansMistress · 21/06/2011 16:25

I saw an avatar on a forum belonging to a muslim young woman with a pic of niqab/eyes, and it said

'Think I'm hot? So is Hell - lower your gaze' which made me lol. Teenagers are so over the top about things Grin

CoteDAzur · 21/06/2011 16:26

Itisnearlysummer - Those men almost certainly wouldn't touch Muslim women's hands nor look into their eyes, to avoid being aroused by these women.

CrapolaDeVille · 21/06/2011 16:27

Men don't touch women because they are sex objects, tempting and so on. And I know that because I have been called a white whore and told that 'good Muslim women are pure and modest', whilst we're (white non muslim) are 'slags who fuck anything and get pregnant'.

worraliberty · 21/06/2011 16:27

I love the pic of the spoof 'Guess Who' game where there's just rows and rows of people wearing Niqabs Grin

megapixels · 21/06/2011 16:29

Are there really Muslims who "do not agree with the practice" (of covering heads)? Not covering their heads themselves is one thing, but I don't think there are Muslims who are against the idea in principle (or they shouldn't be calling themselves Muslims then!).

RevoltingPeasant · 21/06/2011 16:29

crapola Shock

Really?! That's terrible. I lived in Leeds for 7 years and interacted with lots of Muslim people and never had anything like that. Who said that to you?

LDNmummy · 21/06/2011 16:30

Its a personal choice and I don't know any muslim women who choose to wear a viel who would judge as they understand this more than most. Most likely because they recieve judgement all the time or are stigmatised or generalised for making the choice to cover up themselves.

LDNmummy · 21/06/2011 16:31

Bu t saying that, the minority fanatics (who are not proper muslims) would judge because that is what they thrive on.

EricNorthmansMistress · 21/06/2011 16:31

FFS this is why these threads never end well...

Men don't touch women because they are sex objects, tempting and so on. And I know that because I have been called a white whore and told that 'good Muslim women are pure and modest', whilst we're (white non muslim) are 'slags who fuck anything and get pregnant'.

Because every muslim man thinks like that, don't they Hmm

CoteDazur pretty much has it. Strict muslims try to avoid thinking about sex with people they aren't married to, or having lustful feelings outside of marriage. It's to do with purity and piety. So they avoid looking directly at womens' faces or touching them to avoid that. Not because we're all 'white whores' Angry

CrapolaDeVille · 21/06/2011 16:32

I have met a few educated Muslims, not from UK, who refuse to wear the hijab and think very poorly of women who wear nicab and burka.....they assume those to be poor and stupid (their words not mine).

Both men were in their early twenties....but you only have to look at Muslim forums to see these attitudes.

CrapolaDeVille · 21/06/2011 16:35

Eric....the original meaning (and unless there has been a recent reformation) is to avoid temptation...because women are objects of desire. FFS what is it with people that want to pretend Religion is misogynist shit that reinforces the idea that women should take responsibility for men's desire?

LDNmummy · 21/06/2011 16:35

Crapola as someone from a Muslim family can I please ask you to stop chatting shit.

CrapolaDeVille · 21/06/2011 16:35

pretend it isn't, of course.