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To think teachers are taking the piss by striking?

207 replies

mdowdall · 15/06/2011 14:09

They get decent pay.
Even after pension reforms, their pensions will still be way better than the private sector.
They get great holidays.
They have reasonably good job security (again, compared with private sector)
Let?s face it, you could teach a monkey to teach. And yet these lazy bleeders have the audacity to go on strike? Meanwhile, in the real world, people continue to lose their jobs...

OP posts:
diabolo · 15/06/2011 17:56

Your OP is offensive to the many dedicated, hard-working, able teachers out there.

I do not think they should strike however, and if this affects my DS's education in any way, I will be furious. I am a school administrator, and if there is a picket line at the school I work in, I will cross it and I will tell people what I think and why.

Teachers' pensions will continue to be among the best in the UK, even after reform, everyone is on pay-freeze and I don't know why public sector workers expect to be treated differently to the Private Sector.

If teachers do strike, they will not have the support of the majority of the public.

bigfatcath · 15/06/2011 17:58

Grin Goblinchild. Excellent post!

Peachy · 15/06/2011 17:59

There were strikes when I was a child and I don;t remember it having any effect on my education tbh (don;t thin we had typing scheduled that day Wink) especially at this time of the year- certainly in primary we're down to the nice-but-not-essentials now

activate · 15/06/2011 17:59

Monkeys would be far better teachers, if you could teach them to teach

Monkeys kill their young when they're annoying

MollysChamber · 15/06/2011 18:06

Sorry Peachy, I actually don't. Blush

OP - you are a........ tool

Peachy · 15/06/2011 18:08

No prbs Molly; many don;t which is why it's a gentle mention

Cretinism is a disorder resulting from hormonal insufficiency.

Can I swap the wpord for the simple but effective tosspot?

AvonCallingBarksdale · 15/06/2011 18:08

Unpleasant OP. That aside, my parents were both teachers, and although they were v committed and worked hard, their hours were nothing like the hours DH currently works and I used to. They had a very nice life really. Maybe things have changed, but there was very little in the way of after school/weekend or bank holiday working. They were both aperatifing by 5.30 most days!

Hulababy · 15/06/2011 18:11

Mdowdall - a question for you. Please answer if you can.

Why are you not a teacher?

ThePathanKhansWoman · 15/06/2011 18:11

I don't think teachers are paid enough as it happens, and the Government should hang its head in shame at it treatment of teachers, policemen, all public sector workers in fact.

ViolaTricolor · 15/06/2011 18:14

Grin GoblinChild

OP, YABU, and quite exceptionally dimwitted, but a monkey could have told you that.

KatieScarlett2833 · 15/06/2011 18:16

I just love hearing about our "Gold Plated Pensions", gotta love the Daily Mail.

My Pension, after 27 years service at management grade is currently under £6K, and they want to reduce it, make us pay more for the priviledge and work 8 years longer to get it. I stayed with my organisation all this time as I was promised a pension in my contract of employment. Now, they want to say, hang on, you can't have it and how dare you complain?

I will be out like a shot on 30th.

VivaLeBeaver · 15/06/2011 18:19

YABU.

I'm not a teacher but good for them. The government are hammering public sector workers and creating a public sector vs private sector worker divide by coming up with bullshit figures about public sector worker pensions, etc. If you have a contract that states you're entitled to xyz of a pension then they should not be allowed to change that just becuase they've spent too much on other things such as incapacity benefit and ward in Iraq.

As someone said the teachers' overall pension pot is in the black and used to supplement others - this is wrong.

Copied from bbc website;

The Hutton report found the average pension payments - including workers and dependents - in 2009-10 were as follows:

Local government worker: £4,052
NHS worker: £7,234
Civil servant: £6,199
Teacher: £9,806
Member of armed forces: £7,722
It concluded that 10% of public sector workers received annual pensions of £17,000 or above, with retired policemen and fire officers most represented in this category compared to other sections of the workforce. It found that 1% of workers got payouts of £37,000 a year - two thirds of those were NHS doctors and consultants.

lockets · 15/06/2011 18:20

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allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:20

teaching drove my mum to several nervous breakdowns. She now works in the even more scary voluntary sector. Her pension is non-existent. She will be surviving on my fathers' rather more generous university pension.

i really do wonder how any of the workers of the future will survive old age. The public sector must, it seems, be deprived in old age to match the deprivation they undoubtedly face during their working years. Don't tell me that a person with the responsibilities and level of education a teacher has, in a decent private company, would be earning as little as they often do.

I know whereof I speak because I'm a university lecturer who used to be a (gasp) banker. Yeah, I've beaten myself up already about that one- and left :D. I hated it but kept getting promoted anyway. If I'd carried on being a hideous capitalist fat cat and participated in the destruction of the UK, I would probably have been on a six figure salary by now and had a pension at least 6 times the size I'll be receiving from the universities pension scheme. That's if we end up with one at all, which at the current rate of decline looks fairly unlikely.

incidentally I work harder as a lecturer than I ever did in the banks where people mostly churned out excel spreadsheets all day and got on the phone a lot to look important. Public servants serve because they want to serve, yes, but they already took the hit in terms of lower pay.

Worse conditions down the line will mean lower quality people doing the job. If you degrade a job, you get degraded morale as well.

I just love how people like the Op who presumably expect teachers to slave for their kids expect them to do so for less and less reward as well as the bizarre hatred which is now targeted at all public servants for not meekly accepting poverty and/or transferring to something 'better' i.e. profiteering private work. Bah.

This country is going to the dogs.

2rebecca · 15/06/2011 18:27

I work in the public sector and agree with pension experts that our current pension system is unsustainable. It requires the population to continue growing at a rate that isn't sustainable for the planet. We all need to save enough for our own pensions, not rely on the next generation's taxes which is how the current system works.
Striking is stupid and selfish. The system should have been changed under Labour but they bottled it.
I'm not a Tory but the status quo won't work with an aging population. We also need to reduce family size so I support stopping giving people financial incentives to have kids.

Iggly · 15/06/2011 18:31

I thought the problem was with the baby boomer generation. But once they've passed, the pensions issue will become much less of a problem? If I only I could remember where I'd read that.

allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:35

2rebecca this may well be true. However the public sector, particularly education and health, is underpaid in comparison to other graduate employment sectors. The good pension was always seen as compensation for this. This needs to be sorted out or education will be further degraded in future decades with catastrophic consequences for the much-vaunted 'competitiveness' of our country.

The private pension sector is unfit for the purpose of looking after an aging population. The only real solution when it comes to it is going to be an increase in the state pension (maybe we could afford that by banning wars for a bit and taxing billionaires a little more- radical eh?) or mass euthanasia of some sort or other. Leaving people in appalling, understaffed homes to die is probably how they'll do it.

I agree re. no financial incentives to have kids- but there arent' really any are there? Child benefit is crap to be honest. YOu only get 'incentives' via benefits which to be honest no one who could actually get work would want to live on (regardless of what the Daily Fail says).

allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:36

Iggly this is true. I think the babyboomers are those now 45-65. In around 19 years the first babyboomer generation will start to die off. however, people seem to be living longer each generation. Well who knows, perhaps our obesogenic society and the coming austerity will save us from living too long...

allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:37

oh, and they're going to demolish the Health Service at some point soon- that'll stop the little people living beyond their limit eh....

VivaLeBeaver · 15/06/2011 18:37

2rebecca - isn't saying that there's a problem with an ageing population but then saying that people need to have less kids a bit of a contradiction? We need more young people to grow up and work and pay tax or who supports the aging population?

allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:37

*15 years, pardon me

allegrageller · 15/06/2011 18:38

exactly Viva
only more immigration to fund a higher state pension for all is what will solve the problem when the population reaches 'peak aging'. This is exactly what the kind of people who want the poorpeople to have fewer kids don't want, I shoudl think.

TartyMcFarty · 15/06/2011 18:49

I am so sick to death of being a teacher, largely because of vindictive attitudes like the OP. Take the salary, divide it by the actual hours worked during term time and holidays, note that it's not generous and then keep on spouting ignorant shite like this. Idiot. Hmm

2rebecca · 15/06/2011 18:49

No, our planet is overpopulated. We don'tneed more people to fund our pensions from either inside or outside the UK, we need to all save enough to support ourselves in our old age and we need to reduce the world's population and consume less.
Each generation needs to be financially self sufficient, not rely on the next generation to bail us out.

manicinsomniac · 15/06/2011 18:53

lyne, just because someone is on mumsnet mid afternoon doesn't mean they aren't hard workers (or is that not what you were saying?)

I'm a teacher but it's half term so school is blissfully empty - and the school servers haven't blocked mumsnet :D Being on here doesn't mean I'm not working (though it probably does mean I'm not working quite as hard!!)