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AIBU?

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To think teachers are taking the piss by striking?

207 replies

mdowdall · 15/06/2011 14:09

They get decent pay.
Even after pension reforms, their pensions will still be way better than the private sector.
They get great holidays.
They have reasonably good job security (again, compared with private sector)
Let?s face it, you could teach a monkey to teach. And yet these lazy bleeders have the audacity to go on strike? Meanwhile, in the real world, people continue to lose their jobs...

OP posts:
MarioandLuigi · 15/06/2011 14:56

You are being a Knobber!

slug · 15/06/2011 15:02

Righto then OP. How about you put your children first in the line to be taught by the monkey teachers.

No? thought not Hmm

lostinwales · 15/06/2011 15:14

I don't think teachers do themselves any favours though by exaggerating how much work they do all weekend and holidays though

I try never to join in these debates because frankly they make me want to cry but there is something I always want to say when people say the above. In the last term alone DH and teachers in his school have;

Got themselves and a bus load of children to a place 2 hours away for a drama competition. They had to be there for 8.15 am on a bank holiday Monday. No extra pay, and that's not counting the amount of hours put in outside school teaching the children the words and how to act them.

The older children went on a week long course accompanied by DH and other teachers, DH slept outside the doors of some of the boys rooms to ensure they stayed put as they had 'previous' on going walkabout. No extra pay, and that's 24 hours a day for 4/5 days.

School production, extra evenings every week over two months let alone planning, choreographing and making costumes and the week of the performance where I won't expect to see DH until 10pm most evenings.

I can't even count the amount of days over weekends/holidays when other people's children come ahead of our own, but they always do.

The last two years where the staff are waiting to find out who will be made redundant for about 4/5 months of the year.

And yes that's his job and he would very rarely never complain about it. He feels he is adequately paid, teaching is a vocation and he loves his job and the children he teaches. But when an arse comes on MN and starts equating these intelligent, hardworking individuals with trained fucking monkeys my blood boils and I want to defend them to the skies.

mdowdall · 15/06/2011 15:22

ThePathanKhansWoman - English teacher by any chance?

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Allinabinbag · 15/06/2011 15:32

Lost in Wales, I agree many teachers work hard, it's just pointing this out doesn't gather sympathy from other professionals who also work evenings and weekends as standard. A new teacher will have lots more to prepare, same in lecturing, same for junior doctors, same for pretty much most professions until you make the leap to management and the demands rise again.

I support the strike, but once teachers start saying 'I work 12 hour days every day and all holidays' I do start to wonder which ones, having seen many immediate members of my own family in this profession for 40 years. I just don't think it helps the overall cause, which is a good one in my opinion.

pyjamababe · 15/06/2011 16:46

I'm going to step in now before all the teachers get in from work and this thread goes bonkers.

OP - here - have my very first Biscuit - because my mother (an excellent teacher) taught me that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

Peachy · 15/06/2011 16:48

Allina it's not just professionals who work those hours you know! Dad always did.

But I get your point.

I do think it is different to otehr jobs though. I know how aggressive ds1 can be so have seen the risks teahcers can be aplced at first hand.

mdowdall · 15/06/2011 16:52

what you talking about pyjamababe? The teachers were home an hour ago.

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lostinwales · 15/06/2011 17:07

Not all holidays Allinabinbag, can't deny that the summer hols are a huge perk of the job, and I agree whinging on makes you no friends. I suppose what gets to me is the baiting, and I should realise that's all it is, that teachers only work 6 hours a day 6 months of the year. I'm a radiographer so it's physically impossible for me to bring my work home (and I get paid if I do any extra hours) so it's hard for me to comprehend anyway! If they invent fully portable x-ray machines I'm screwed Grin

lynehamrose · 15/06/2011 17:09

I couldn't teach to save my life. I think its probably one of the most difficult jobs going.
Neither could you op. Otherwise you might be doing it rather than writing shit stirring posts! My guess is you're a disgruntled failed teacher, or a bored housewife who is jealous of career women. Now come on , lets see you deny it frantically!

BurningBridges · 15/06/2011 17:12

Do you have the monkey in question? Can we see it? Are YOU the monkey OP? Or something hairy that lives under bridges instead of in trees? (and I'm not talking about a goat)

lynehamrose · 15/06/2011 17:15

Where were you at 2 o'clock this afternoon when you wrote your op? Slow day in the office? Extended lunch hour? Or sitting at home because you don't work? Clearly not teaching a class of 30 challenging youngsters thats for sure!

wordfactory · 15/06/2011 17:17

lyne you do realise a lot of people work very odd shifts and hours doon't you?

Please tell me you're not a teacher who thinks everyone works office hours...

FreudianSlipper · 15/06/2011 17:19

you could teach a monkey tp teach. really

i think their salaries are quite low, their hours are not just 9-3.30 especially teaching older children or adults

what do you do mdowdall?

Strutter · 15/06/2011 17:19

afetr being out of teaching for a while i do think teachers need to be pretty careful whingeing.
everyone works long hours.
jsut not everyone has to control 30 people at the same time as they are doing half of it!

lynehamrose · 15/06/2011 17:22

Not at all. I'm not a teacher - couldn't do it for all the tea in china. There are a few teachers among my friends, and I know they work damn hard in a demanding job.

Of course people have all sorts of shift patterns. Its just clear that the op is resentful and stupid, so I just wondered if she was a teacher who hadn't made the grade or something. Or just very bored and in need of an outlet Smile

LunaticFringe · 15/06/2011 17:28

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TheFlyingOnion · 15/06/2011 17:31

"you could teach a monkey to teach"

YABU to have so little respect for whoever you have entrusted to prepare your little darlings for the big wide world.

YANBU to ask why teachers are striking. I'm a teacher and I don't agree with the strike.

ThePathanKhansWoman · 15/06/2011 17:33

mdowell no not at all.However i may be a good example of why we need more dedicated teachers, i think you being very unreasonable. Perhaps you are said monkey???

ThePathanKhansWoman · 15/06/2011 17:34

Also what pyjamababe said.

Goblinchild · 15/06/2011 17:41

Of course a monkey could be trained to teach, but it all depends on the subjects required.
Grooming, fruit peeling, moving around an arboreal environment, biting as a method of discipline and masterbation are all things that many monkeys are happy to model to an audience.
The question is whether the OP considers these life skills he wants for his children in the current economic environment

Iggly · 15/06/2011 17:43

Instead of bemoaning the fact that teachers get "better" pensions etc, OP, why don't you get off your arse and do something about your poorly paid, non pension of a job? I assume thats the case as you're suffering from ignorance and envy.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 15/06/2011 17:43

Out of interest, what percentage fo their salary do theachers pay into their pensions? Anyone know?

emptyshell · 15/06/2011 17:46

Aaah a teacher-bash thread... knew that shitstorm was coming when people lost their childminders for the day - and that's all we are to society - childminders and scapegoats.

I actually don't give a shit about the strike ballot, or pensions to be honest - why would I care for the full-timers, who sat and gloated and watched their supply counterparts be sold down the river with their earnings destroyed and the march of cover supervisors. They want the supplys' support now - bollocks they should have supported us when we were being destroyed. All the strike's going to do to me is cost me a day's work as I've got a work booking that day in a school that will probably (following the pattern from the last strike) close for the day instead.

I do, however care about the fact that we're now due at least a month of teacher-bash threads - which will get really annoying really quick. OK - our summer holidays are fab, we all fuck off home at 3.30, roll in at 9am and just make it up as we go along - feel better now?

On the other hand - if it cuts down on the incessant dog-bashing threads, at least it's a change of scenery.

MollysChamber · 15/06/2011 17:51

Oh do fuck off you cretin.

"teach a monkey to teach"

"lazy bleeders"

Nice attempt at shit-stirring.

And no, I'm not a teacher. Just happen to know some very good ones.