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to think people should respect my choice of name?

332 replies

DuchessofPsmith · 11/06/2011 23:22

I'm a regular MNer, but am writing under an assumed name (and using more fake names) for what's about to be obvious reasons.

DP is in fact DH. We'd had a non-legal shindig a year after we met, and told everybody that's that. And part of that was because during my previous marriage I was driven nuts by a few assholes misguided friends who'd refused to accept I hadn't changed my name: that it was still "Ms Psmith" not "Mrs Ahmed", so I really wanted to avoid giving anbody a reason to get it wrong again.

DP and I thought a bit later that it might be both pleasing to his mum, and protecting for me if anything should happen to him, to do the legal thing, so we secretly married, inviting only our mutual best friend and DH's mum as witness. We made it clear to both of them that this was to be kept secret, and that my name would remain "Ms Psmith".

Within days, the old bat made me regret inviting her, making jokes about total strangers asking "which Mrs Jones?" (as if they'd know). And within a few months DP/H and I were getting [holiday] cards from her relatives addressed to "Mr and Mrs Jones".

A few years went by. DP/H in the meantime heard from his sister that MIL had blabbed to her as well, but it wasn't officially General Knowledge. DP/H of course explained why this was, and all the stuff you read above, i.e. to respect my name.

We got invited to a wedding in her neck of the family; I sent hand-written acceptances using our two names. So, I was a but surprised to see my dinner placecard written as not "Jane Psmith" but "Jane Jones".

We didn't let it ruin our evening (although the general white-trashiness of the event was worthy of a whole 'nother thread). We stayed through dinner but left before the disco (my being 8 months pregnant proved useful for escape). On our way out, during the goodbye and pleasantries with SIL, I handed her my placecard and said "I am certain I spelled my name correctly on my acceptance - could you please in due course pass on my disappointment to whomever was responsible for this that they chose not to respect my wishes."

DP/H's next phone call with his mother started with her launching right into "If you're ringing to apologise, you're too late and it won't be sufficient" because apparently I "went ballistic" and "ruined the bride's big day" (we'd said nothing about it to her - indeed, I made sure to tell SIL we weren't going to bother B&G with this!).

We have since had no apology either from MIL or SIL. The only thing SIL had to offer - and this is where you MNers come in! - is "well, since I know you're married, I assumed your name was changed".

AFTER THAT ENTIRE CONVERSATION HE'D HAD WITH HER?!? AFTER MY ACCEPTANCE NOTE IN MY NAME?!? AAARRRGGGHHH!

Moreover, I am now bothered by the thought that if what SIL perceives to be my "married name" (I am gagging even typing this) was used, does that mean she spread the secret further? How many people now know?

I actually felt compelled to look up the legality of it, and confirmed what I'd thought I'd known: that name change is voluntary and through usage - though marriage is one of the reasons one might do it, it is not automatic. There is no legal "name change fairy".

So I know leagally where I stand, but what's general consensus? Looking forward to your thoughts.

OP posts:
DuchessofPsmith · 12/06/2011 00:31

Izzy you weren't there. We were pleasant, forebearing, everything that was correct. We did compliment the B&G on our way out, said everything nice. I think my exact words were "You look wonderful, and so happy together. Congratulations" and a brief mention of how being 8-months-along made me very tired, so we hope they'll understand that we're leaving before the disco. Didn't even make a big deal about that - it's not my day, but theirs.

We spoke to the SIL specifically because she wasn't the B&G, and was the person we knew. Moreover, she must have been the person who passed on the incorrect name.

As to your Royal wedding analogy, well, you've proven my point as well with your use of "married name".

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chunkythighs · 12/06/2011 00:33

I rather like and admire my paternal grandfather - he was a clever fellow, good businessman, honest, lots of good qualities to emulate.

Oh sweet Jesus this gets better! Do you even like your hustner? Does he have any decent qualities at all? I ask because you appear to be so overly precious and offended if you are called by his name.

People (including your inlaws) don't care about what you want to call yourself. I reckon they now have plenty of choice names for you given your horrible behaviour at your family wedding.

HerHissyness · 12/06/2011 00:33

My own bloody mother insisted on keeping using my married name when I'd split from my H and had gone back to my maiden name at the wedding of her H's DD.

I tried to check-in to the hotel. they had no reservation for Ms MaidenName. Turns out they had a reservation for Mr and Mrs MarriedName. This was middle of 2001, I'd told them in early 2000 we were splitting, and was moved out, had bought a flat and moved into it 3 months before the wedding. Mr MarriedName didn't even know there was a wedding, and certainly wouldn't have expected an invite, let alone share a room! Shock

So a backward version to your story OP, but you have the right to remain whatever you wish.

squeakytoy · 12/06/2011 00:37

Well in my white trash culture, when we get married, we keep our first name, and we change our surname to that of our husband, because he and me have become one little family, and our offspring will also have our family name until the girls marry and then start a family of their own... Grin

Simple enough to me.

exhausted2011 · 12/06/2011 00:39

What a lot of nonsense.
Your sense of importance is unbelievable

DuchessofPsmith · 12/06/2011 00:39

Chunky My hustner (great term, that, btw) is wonderful. I adore him. His wondderful qualities are too many to list.

I like what he describes as his father's qualities. His grandfather was apparently a bit of a rogue, and not to be used as an example, but there is nothing wrong with the name except that It Is Not Mine.

I was only going with your earlier concept that I am, after all, named after some male in my past, and pointing out that that male was OK.

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thursday · 12/06/2011 00:40

wanting to keep your maiden name doesn't need defending or explaining, and it's absolutely your right to be called whatever you like, but there's still no need to complain at a wedding. awfully rude, and i'd have been gutted if someone had done that to me. there was a mistake on my seating plan, not mine but the lady who made it's mistake, but i still felt really shitty when my mother pointed it out to me (post honeymoon, she has a soul) just no need! that's all crazy enough without the whole national secrets act about your non-legal shindig too.

loving that hustner is catching on. its important to have a name for these confusing occasions when you just don't know if you're married or not.

BooBearBoo · 12/06/2011 00:41

"that male was ok"

phnar.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/06/2011 00:41

fgaaagh are you for real?

Could it be that the OP's husband's family used the married surname of his 8 months pregnant wife on her placecard to spare her, their son, and possibly themselves, any speculation/gossip by other guests either at the wedding or afterwards?

squeakytoy · 12/06/2011 00:43

so what surname did you give your child? dont tell me, a naffy double barrelled one Grin

Maelstrom · 12/06/2011 00:44

"I rather like and admire my paternal grandfather - he was a clever fellow, good businessman, honest, lots of good qualities to emulate."

I'm sure he would be ashamed of you behaving like that in the name of his surname.

worraliberty · 12/06/2011 00:44

We were pleasant, forebearing, everything that was correct. We did compliment the B&G on our way out, said everything nice. I think my exact words were "You look wonderful, and so happy together. Congratulations"

Then called them "White Trash" in private and on MN...you two faced cow Hmm

Fifis25StottieCakes · 12/06/2011 00:45

Moreover, I am now bothered by the thought that if what SIL perceives to be my "married name" (I am gagging even typing this)

You gagg at the mere thought of having his name and refer to him as DP/DH.

I think there is more to this. Its a bit extreme to be gagging at the thought of it

chunkythighs · 12/06/2011 00:46

Well op, as I already mentioned I only changed my name after my husbands death. I didn't want my child to have a different name to me AND his name was the only thing I had left of him. I was and am very glad to have it.

Seriously your reaction to being called mrs whogivesashit is completely U.

HellAtWork · 12/06/2011 00:46

OP - I do think you were rude to bring it up at the wedding. I understand why you did (plus I suspect being 8 months pregnant did you feel there was an undercurrent of you being re-named to show the family you were all legitimate and above board/ie we'll have no unmarried pregnant hussies or hustners (!) in this family?) and it sounds like you are being deliberately ignored - but it sounds like you need some new tactics, not sure what.

Will the DC(s) have your surname? That would probably stop you being referred to by husband's surname. Although your husband will probably become Mr Duke of Psmith!

Am Confused at the posters who are still referring to your 'married' or pre-married name being used. It does seem that there is not just an assumption that most women take their husband's surname on marriage - it appears that some people think it is impossible not to!

AgentZigzag · 12/06/2011 00:48

I take being two faced as saying stuff behind someones back to people who know you both worra.

On MN it's just venting to a keyboard isn't it?

harecare · 12/06/2011 00:48

YABU. I'm not married and often get mail from DPs distant relatives addressed to Mrs. his surname. Acquaintances also often refer to him as my husband - he's not, but having to explain that he's actually just my "boyfriend" sounds so ridiculous that I just let it slide.
Why are you keeping the marriage a secret? You're happy to be seen as spiritually or publicly "married" just not legally? How weird.
It's really not a big deal.

quiddity · 12/06/2011 00:50

YANBU.
It was rude of them to call you by the wrong name after you'd replied to the invitation using your actual name.
You were perfectly reasonable in expressing your disappointment pleasantly but firmly at the time so they would get the message.
The posters on here who are outraged by your wanting to be addressed by your own name rather than your DH's obviously feel just as strongly about it as you do?so why is ok for them to care about it but not you?

worraliberty · 12/06/2011 00:51

No I disagree Zigzag

"White Trash" is a very look down the nose expression at poorer/less 'classy' people. So to hold that thought and then spout nice words on the way out is two faced imo.

A simple Goodnight, Good luck and thanks for everything would have sufficed...rather than the false "You look wonderful, and so happy together. Congratulations"

chicletteeth · 12/06/2011 00:52

White trash is a really shitty phrase! Shame on you for using it!

Also, I have two names

Dr. Maiden Name (maiden name because i've published under it and don't want to lose my track-record)

and Mrs.Teeth

I don't give a shit who uses what name, although as a rule all my friends (who are/were colleagues know me as Title Maiden Name) and all my other friends (people I've met through toddler groups, nurseries etc) know me as Title Teeth.

It's just no big deal and you really need to get over it

LRDTheFeministDragon · 12/06/2011 00:52

Sorry, I am utterly confused by your OP. There is no need for a 'secret marriage' which you then render un-secret by telling your in-laws all about it. I mean, why do that if you knew they'd react that way? Having done it, why not get your DH to keep telling them to knob off when they use the wrong name? My mum does this and it pisses me off no end. It has never made me be so rude at someone else's wedding! If you really said that, you sounded like a right tit. I take it you're saying SIL was the bride? Or close to the bride?

I admit I'd be offended if I got the wrong name on a place card and thought it was deliberately malicious ... which you've no way of knowing this was. But I wouldn't make a fuss in the middle of a wedding ffs!

Crikey, you've made me feel all calm and middle-of-the-road about my attitude towards name changes, well done! Grin

fanjolamps · 12/06/2011 00:54

Is your husbands surname Wanker? Arf you flipping weirdo!!

ihatecbeebies · 12/06/2011 00:55

Squeakytoy - what's wrong with a double barrelled surname?

BagofHolly · 12/06/2011 00:56

Quiddity:"You were perfectly reasonable in expressing your disappointment pleasantly but firmly at the time so they would get the message."

Seriously? As a wedding guest? Nope. Rude, rude, rude.

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