David Cameron welfare reforms-no family will receive more than £25,000 a year.

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Good idea? I think so. I can't believe a single family receives this much already in benefits. It is about the same as the average income so it would be ridiculous for any one family to have more in benefits than someone that works?

I think people have a right to question it, as after all it's supposed to be a mutually beneficial safety net.

my issues are not with that.

When people automatically assume my boys are less worthwhile though (really? head of school council, already got a career lined up for ds1; ds3 is just joy itself- he makes people smile which is a gift) then I get riled.

Understand and ask away, quit the judging.

omg he said it infront of your kids!!! oh I hope karma bites him on the bum

Well tehy will learn, they've already offerd to care for my aprents when they age and Dad is high risk alzhemiers

He came up with some shit about people younger than his Nan (who apssed away recntly- am SO hoping it's that rendered him a little unstable IYSWIM) shoudln;t get help as his Nan waited until she was 90 to develop Alzhemiers; my friend's mum died of a related illness before she was 40 so friend a little now to put it mildly

But the opinion is so wankery that really- not worth energy is it?

your right people like that are rather tragic and best kept in the cupboard.

One flaw of this cap is that it will encourage families to split up.

your not riv, and it will mean a lot of disabled/ill people going into care.

your not wrong riv omg I need an edit button

Absolutely Riv, and of course the divorce rate in famillies coping with a disability is MASSIVE

And you often end up with life long poverty then as well, whereas longer term sahred care arrangements are a potential solution in some dual parent famillies, once you're past the whole dx / statement / school sorting stage. Two half time workers, that sort of thing. Night shifts if the child sleeps.

That's the thing about the internet, in real life you imagine that everybody (or almost everybody) is sympathetic and understanding to the various challenges people face. And then I read through this thread and I'm shocked at the heartlessness.

times are tough band, though i don''t like it I assume the angriest ones are secretly scared for their own security and I can understand that. i hope whatever they fear- redundancy, dependency- never happens to them.

Peachy, I think you are being very gracious.

I just assume that they are pretty heartless.

Most people aren't though, they are unaware or something is up. Very few people have zero empathy without a diagnosable psychiatric condition, and I feel sorry for anyone having to live with one of those.

Mopre saliently, I was becoming biitter, I have sworn never to let MN make nme bitter

I too just assume they are heartless or selfish.

I would wave fairy dust but I am really not that sort of a woman!

May I suggest wine as a great revitaliser of emotional equilibrium and restorer of faith in the world? Unless you mustn't drink in which case I know a great chocolate ornage cake recipe that has the same effect

I wouldn't wish hardship on anyone. I just wish people would take a few seconds to consider how they would feel in that situation if they were the ones going through it. Just a little bit of consideration before they open their mouths and kick someone who is down.

Govt are planning to remove the right of appeal for benefit decisions. No appeal meams people dropping dead.

here

That's bad, of course the benfits people are going to cock up from time to time. They are only human.

no appeal?! That sounds illegal to me Riven- I am sure the ECHR provides a right to question the decisions of public authorities and there shoudl always be judicial review surely

Apparently they cannot remove the right to appeal without contravening EU regulations.

Not that that will stop them of course.

You would have to challenge it in court....but theres no legal aid anymore....

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yeah they may try.Won't the EU fine them though? Thus removing most of the dubious 'savings' made by allowing people to drop dead in the street?

I believe charities are currently seeking legal advice to try and stop this.

Yes the charities are well involved- although the one I know most I am seriously about ATM. Won;t diss them on here, they do good work, just seem to have been a little machiavellian to get punlicity out of Government ties.

Anyhow.

If thery are going to toghten everything they can jolly well sort the whole lot! We will lose £££££ but becuase we get WTC we can;t get free school meals when people on equivalent incomes can: that IS silly and completely penalises anyone trying to sort themselves out and maybe get self employed.

Also, when our income potentially goes tits up teh kids won;t even have access to that one crucial hot meal whilst people who never tried (a few, I know most are not like that! ) will. how does that make sense?

Knollocks