David Cameron welfare reforms-no family will receive more than £25,000 a year.

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Good idea? I think so. I can't believe a single family receives this much already in benefits. It is about the same as the average income so it would be ridiculous for any one family to have more in benefits than someone that works?

No matter how much tax people like Philip Green pay, there are people who think he should be paying more.

Where were the bitter lefties at the last election? Probably unable to get out of their houses due to no dropped kerbs, no accessible buses/trains, no money to afford to go out. I expect you thinnk that's an exaggeration. Sadly not. Of course we're all desperate to elect Slow Cuts Miliband, same old neocon bullshit as the rest of them. You did say 'bitter'?

Postal votes?

Our last election was in May, and thankfully the SNP got a resounding majority.....

Rhetorical device Alouise. Fortunately, you and RobF live a charmed life in which you will never experience redundancy, disability or parenthood of a less than perfect Aryan stock disabled child. I am interested in how you rationalise your ideology in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Can you enlighten us as to how, precisely, you believe we and our cxhildren to live?

Is anyone advocating abolishing benefits entirely? I'm certainly not. And I've been made redundant before.

Limiting families to £25,000 a year in benefits is hard the crime against humanity that some posters are making it out to be.

The people who unknowingly accuse other people of 'never having experienced disability, redundancy, illness, poor parenting ' etc are doing this debate no favours. You have no bloody idea what other people may have gone through.

There is no money, there is less than no money, we are verging on Bankcruptcy as a country.

Capping benefits at £25k seems eminently sensible to me. We have also said on this thread umpteen times that this isn't about disability, that is an additional issue. Disability is a separate matter. I don't begrudge a disabled person benefits. I do begrudge people being reckless in their relationships and producing more children than they can afford, I loathe the amount of absent parents who hand over all financial responsibility to the state.

Well said LynehamRose.

alousie on teh ather sbit I can agree with you .xh pays minimum he has swung incapcity and him and his new g/f are expecting a child ( while not denying her the right to have a child ) but do think he needs to man up and look towards paying for ones he already has .

opps spelling am tired

You see I don't think anyone has a "right" to have a child. I actually think she's a stupid twat for getting pregnant by a man who can't or won't support his existing children.

"Capping benefits at £25k seems eminently sensible to me. We have also said on this thread umpteen times that this isn't about disability, that is an additional issue. Disability is a separate matter. I don't begrudge a disabled person benefits. I do begrudge people being reckless in their relationships and producing more children than they can afford, I loathe the amount of absent parents who hand over all financial responsibility to the state."

Yes I agree with you here, I was slightly disagreeing with you here but this is it really for me. I wouldn't care if the money didn't "come back" but stayed in the benefits arena paying for disability and geriatric care.

I mean I was slightly disagreeing with you before. Of course. A bit.

Many working people don't get a nice cushy 3 bedroom house either. Even if they have several Children including girls and boys.

Gooseberry

But what i have tried to point out under new dla rules I may not get dla .So I could then be capped while still having the expense of the disability

yes think a fair few posters will not begrudge for people with disablitys what they recieve .B ut sadly a lot with them will be scopped into the cap net so it is not clear cut as we all like to think it is.

@RobF- if the 'system depends' on the taxes of wankers I mean gentlemen like Sir Green (he's mega rich, so must surely have been knighted), all the more reason why he and his fellow semi-oligarchs should not be taxed to a fair and reasonable extent. No one is talking about the 80 odd % taxes of the 1970s. A 50% rate would be perfectly fair. I'm a flipping public sector worker (boo hiss scrounge!!) and I pay 40%. So I really don't see why a repulsively rich megamillionaire shouldn't pay a slightly higher proportion than I do, rather than being given carte blanche to avoid as much of it as he can, simply because he is already very rich.

And yes Labour did encourage all this by being 'intensely relaxed about the filthy rich' (as per the Prince of Darkness). Thatcher began it all and they continued it. Greed is good in our world; and so we all are fucked.

It won't be a nice place for rich people to live in either, the UK, when people start dying on the streets. Rich people's streets might be cleared quicker, I guess, by policies such as driving out the poor who already live in 'good' areas and (as in Westminster) trying to ban feeding the homeless. But no one is immune to increasing crime and social division.

Btw I just love the 'bitter lefties' term...as if there were anything 'bitter' about wanting a fairer world where children are not penalised for having parents who cannot get work, and disabled children and adults aren't forced to live substandard lives so Daily Fail reading types like yourself can feel safe from the burden of national debt (which is affecting you how exactly? And don't do the right wing guff about the deficit coming to slap your children and children's children in the face- as if rightwingers really care about anything more than their retirement income and property portfolio...)

Catapult, I think this is very unfair and I think it wouldn't happen if the system weren't so ferociously abused.

I probably worded that wrong herbie, I wasn't trying to be an arse. I did also say further up that I know of plenty folks who take the piss...i'm not denying it happens, i'm fully aware it does.

A lot of claimants are genuine though

My dh and I have one child together, because thats all we can afford. Dh is paying £590 per month for his son by ex wife. She left when ds was six months old. She then had three kids with bf, lost care of them after driving them all drunk, into a tree. In her own words, and told to us by ss, now 15, she had a few one night stands to get pregnant, to keep her benefits and house. She has now lost care of this fifth child.

She has never worked, never will, is racist, violent and drunk. She costs sociaty an absolute fortune, in child protection and court costs, as well as benefits. My dh and I pay 40% tax, I have chronic health problems but would never claim as I can get by, I just work when my health allows. Thank god I work from home.

These people exist alright. And she came from a family who worked. God knows what went wrong. I think she just got used to having a certain income and couldn't see herself coping on less. When they first split, dh paid her £1200 a month, whilst he lived in a bedsit. She pissed the 50K profit from marital home up the wall too, and lived rent free with my mil.
I like to think I wouldn't mind so much if she was raising great kids wth a positive future, but she is not doing such a great job so far. I love my ss though, and I pray the damage is not too deep. I know he feels responsible for her though. Thats the saddest thing of all.

I am a lazy fuck up who has her earnings boosted by benefits due to my un-employability. I can assure you that my wages plus benefit come to a fraction over half of 25K. I know everyone thinks I am a money grabbing cow but don't want to be accused of having more than I do.

Isn't it funny though. All us 'scroungers' have been taxpayers at some point and happy to do so.

I'm a scrounger and a tax payer.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290165/George-Osborne-begins-crackdown-incapacity-benefit-cheats.html

The only issue I have is with people abusing the disability system. There are people claiming disability because of 'alcoholism', 'indigestion', 'being too fat to work' and even 'blisters'. That's just taking the absolute mick, especially since there are those who really are genuinely disabled, and through no fault of their own either. That's just my opinion - we need to weed out who is taking the piss.