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David Cameron welfare reforms-no family will receive more than £25,000 a year.

748 replies

Hammy02 · 11/06/2011 16:12

Good idea? I think so. I can't believe a single family receives this much already in benefits. It is about the same as the average income so it would be ridiculous for any one family to have more in benefits than someone that works?

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BooyHoo · 12/06/2011 22:38

"The government should create menial jobs like picking up litter that the long term, choosing to be unemployed can do in return for their benefits."

i know this thread has probably moved on but i couldn't get past probably the most idiotic comment i have seen on here in a long time.

scarlettsmummy who the fuck is going to pay for these menial jobs that the government creates? that's right, the government. and where the fuck does the government get the money from to pay the wages? you guessed it, little old 12 hour a day dishwasher you. (and all other tax-payers) can you work it out? instead of your taxes paying for these 'workshy' people being on benefits, your taxes would be paying for the jobs you are insisting are created.

Glitterknickaz · 12/06/2011 22:40

mummytigger if you think it's possible to get DLA for those reasons you've obviously been addled by the Daily Mail. It isn't.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:02

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StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:03

'People are certainly claiming DLA for alcoholism and being too fat to work. Also drug addicts, who spend their extra money on drugs'

Hmmm. Read the sun do you?

Glitterknickaz · 12/06/2011 23:04

Tchuh.... Starlight.....
Daily Mail. Straight up.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:05

'There are people claiming disability because of 'alcoholism', 'indigestion', 'being too fat to work' and even 'blisters''

They may well be claiming disability, but I can tell you with certainty that they aren't claiming DLA.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:06

I know as an absolute fact that a former neighbour of mine was recieving high level DLA for care and low level DLA for mobility because he was a drug addict and unable to work. He was recieving over £300 a week in benefits, more than I was making for a week's work at the time.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:06

What I don't understand though, is that it is alright for rich people to get free money, but not poor or disabled people to.

If inheritance tax was 100%, then we wouldn't be in any debt at all.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:08

'I know as an absolute fact that a former neighbour of mine was recieving high level DLA for care and low level DLA for mobility because he was a drug addict and unable to work.'

Bollox. YOu can't know this for a 'fact' and DLA isn't given for being a drug addict.

Glitterknickaz · 12/06/2011 23:08

Those of us who have been through the hell of actually trying to claim this benefit really resent the misinformed bollocks spouted on these boards by people such as the previous poster who appears to use the Daily Mail for masturbatory fodder.

Which is why I haven't called him for the troll he truly is. We don't want you believing his shit and would rather you read the experiences of those on the sharp end.

xstitch · 12/06/2011 23:08

I couldn't even get a job scrubbing toilets I fear even the Government would turn me down :(.

SherlockMoans · 12/06/2011 23:12

To be fair on bad years DH and I earn less than this and survive by living within our means....of course we would be waaaay better of if our tax bills were lower which of course wont happen until people only live within their means and only have the amount of children they can afford to support. I know thats an unpopular view but its how the majority of us have to live our lives.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:13

"Bollox. YOu can't know this for a 'fact' and DLA isn't given for being a drug addict."
I got his mail by mistake once and in was a letter from the Benefits Agency stating what benefits he was recieving.

I worked for the Jobcentre for a year, in the fraud department (this was some years ago). The amount of people claiming benefits they patantly didn't deserve was staggering. A notorious local family were all on Incapacity benefits, despite several of them being known for being bouncers in the town centre. One of them was eventually jailed (for only 6 months) and my manager was savagely beaten up only weeks later, losing his hearing in one ear. The amount of organised benefit fraud in this country must be staggering, and Labour couldn't give a shit, because they knew the Tories would have to be the ones that tackled it, and most of the fraud is in Labour controlled areas.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:15

"If inheritance tax was 100%, then we wouldn't be in any debt at all."
If inheritance was 100%, anyone with any amount of money would avoid paying it, one way or another.

You're fucking loopy if you think taking everything families have worked for, for generations, away from them in order to pay for benefits for families that couldn't give a shit about leaving a legacy behind.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:18

I don't care if you got his mail and that it stated his benefits. That those benefits are for being a drug addict is a lie. YOU don't know what they were for. YOU are making your own assumptions based on predjudice.

BooyHoo · 12/06/2011 23:19

"I got his mail by mistake once and in was a letter from the Benefits Agency stating what benefits he was recieving"

you got one letter? i have lost count of teh amount of letters i have recieved from teh benefits agency and the housing executive telling me i am entitled to X one week Y the next Z the next tehn another one telling me i have been over paid and i owe so much back to them. if they knew their arse from tehir elbow it would be a start so i cant imagine how you would know what they're paying when they dont even know themselves.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:20

Why should YOU benefit from your grandfather working? You didn't earn it. You don't deserve it.

Not as much, I might argue, as someone who WANTS to work but can't due to a disability that just doesn't 'fit' the economic environment that your grandfather contributed towards building.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:22

"I don't care if you got his mail and that it stated his benefits. That those benefits are for being a drug addict is a lie. YOU don't know what they were for. YOU are making your own assumptions based on predjudice."
He was on benefits due to being a drug addict. If you want to be pedantic, I suppose technically it was due to his health being damaged due to drug abuse. Either way, he was a drug addict, and his habit was being funded by the taxpayer. The vast majority of his benefits were going straight into the pockets of local drug dealers.

xstitch · 12/06/2011 23:22

'survive by living within our means'

You never know what is around the corner though. When I had dd i was working full time for over 30K, had a modest mortgage and was married. less than 3 years later my husband had walked out, I lost my job (because my husband had walked out but that's a long story), took the only job available which was only 12hrs per week. Ended up homeless and all this time I kept job hunting and still am but nothing. I can count the number of interviews I have had on my fingers. Most I have never even received a reply. 12hrs a week doesn't cover rent and council tax. I lived off savings for a while, doing without, skipping meals and borrowing food occasionally from my mum but my savings ran out , had to do something.

It has been and is the most humiliating experience ever. Not a day goes by when at some point I don't want to die. I have gone as far as planing it but couldn't even do that properly fuck up that I am.

I am truly sorry my existence offends you sherlock what am I supposed to do hand my dd over for adoption? euthanaisia? Is it any consolation that my own existence offends myself?

shudaville · 12/06/2011 23:23

Do people really think the state should take all of peoples money and assets when they die? Do the people who own and control them get no say in what happens to them when they pass away.

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:24

"Why should YOU benefit from your grandfather working? You didn't earn it. You don't deserve it."
Why should people recieve benefits? They didn't earn them. Other people did.

Do you believe in families at all? Do you not think it is natural for people to want their children to benefit from their hard work? Do you not think 100% inheritance (apart from being completely pointless, because there would be mass avoidance) would be a hell of a deterrant against working hard, and building up a legacy to provide for your family?

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:26

'If you want to be pedantic, I suppose technically it was due to his health being damaged due to drug abuse'

How do you know this? Are you a doctor who examined him?

I think not.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:29

'Do people really think the state should take all of peoples money and assets when they die?'

Not especially no. But is is a much more humane place to get money from than people in poverty through no fault of their own.

If hard choices are to be made then why not this one?

RobF · 12/06/2011 23:31

You're just being argumentative for the sake of it. He was a scumbag drug addict that by his own admission had never worked a day in his life. He was recieving more money in benefits than most people in the area recieved for slogging their guts out at work all week. If you think that's perfectly fine, I wouldn't want to live in your world. He was fit enough to ride a bike, so how on early he was entitled to high level DLA for mobility is beyond me. The benefits system is a joke, and most people that aren't either a) on benefits themselves or b) Labour voting automatons agree 100% that reforms are needed.

StarlightMcKenzie · 12/06/2011 23:32

'Do you not think it is natural for people to want their children to benefit from their hard work?'

Erm, no, - not natural. Culturally brainwashed into people by certain right-wing politics. Why is this any more 'natural' than wanting your 'legacy' to be to have worked hard to provide for the future generation in general, that your children will be living amongst.

Why does legacy have to be about money at all. My Dad left no money at all but a legacy that few could match. I have NEVER met anyone who works as hard as he did or was as successful at what he did.

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