to find some modern aspects of feminism patronising to women?

[glitterkitten]

I say "modern aspects" as i am more than aware that historical feminist activism has led to my being able to work in a professional job, has given me choices, has improved the general quality of life for women since etc etc.

An example of what i find patronising to the extreme is the recent protest by feminist groups at the opening of the Playboy Club in London.

wild haired, wild eyed women waved placards and protesting about how playboy exploit women, how evil men were manipulating women and that essentially, women who worked within such industries needed to be saved.

how can these women think that they need to save other women, who are simply exercising their right to make independent choice regarding how they make a living?

these women will deny / ignore the fact that some women working in such an industry (in all its guises) CHOOSE to earn a living that way. they earn a good wage, shock horror, they may even ENJOY it!

i find it so patronising. Intensely.

as i said above, i work in a professional career. i have no issues with strip clubs, lap dancing bars, playboy etc. i have accompanied my husband to such clubs on occasion. those women if anything, are taking advantage of the men who sit and dribble at them. the women have the last laugh with the money they make which is undoubtedly higher than the national minimum wage. would a feminist seek to tell me i am wrong??

@Betty

Your point is what? that you know a nice woman who used to be a lap dancer? I'm sure lots of lapdancers are nice women.

The sex industry, on the whole, isn't very nice, though.

And lapdancing clubs are VERY much a part of the sex industry. They are the 'acceptable face' of a huge, multi-million pound industry that makes money off the back of women with very few options. The nice English girl who pole dances because she wants to earn a few extra bob to see her through uni, and because - hell - she has a good figure and enjoys showing it off, is a raritt. She probably accounts for 0.0001% of the women worldwide who work int he industry, a huge chunk of which, I might add, are not even of the legal age of consent.

can't be bothered to write a long rebuttal and explanation so I'll stick with

oh fuck off

rarity

lol!@Hully

wild haired, wild eyed women waved placards and protesting about how playboy exploit women

Shoulda been in the bastard beauty parlour sorting out their hair instead, the daft cunts.

".I dont class a lap dancing club as being in the sex industry either!"

What is it then, zoo keeping? Sociological research?

I don't like all of modern feminism (but beliefs of feminists varies I have come to realise) but OP, seriously, Seeker, nail, head.

Those hairy armpitted, dungaree-wearing, man-hating lesbians. They probably all need a good seeing to / are jealous of the luscious young strippers etc etc.

ok, so my OP description of "wild haired wild eyed women" has clearly caused some offence, for which i apologise and will accept that this was based on one news report, showing said protesters. i do not believe all feminists are of that description.

i find it interesting that it was suggested by nijinsky that i went to a strip club on my husbands suggestion. that's a presumption which in itself suggests that i, as a woman couldn't possibly have suggested the visit. i find that too patronising!

once again, my query relates to women who choose to work in the industry. for example, i knew fellow students who paid their way through university as "dancers" as the hours fitted in with their lifestyle and the money was good as well as them enjoying the job!

i suppose i'm looking for some recognition that women are just as capable as men as making such decisions and that another woman in her role as "feminist" would be somewhat belittling that woman by telling her she is a victim.

that's all!

and i'm not naive, i'm an intelligent, independent woman with a genuine query. just because you don't understand my point does not qualify the wholly inaccurate insults. kind of underlines my point.....

I think the point is that feminism is often associated with liberalism, and specifically personal freedom.

Of course, sometime it is necessary in society to ban the activities of one to guarantee the freedoms of another.

This isn't one, though. This is guilt by association. I'm afraid it is deeply illiberal to want to ban a club because it "deflects our eyes from the real issue of exploited, abused women and girls".

and actually I am not even sure what part of it I don't like these days. My opinions have changed a lot over the last year (growing/ wising up y'know )

someone with a feminist "persuasion"

You mean someone who believes that both genders should be treated equally? Could you explain exactly what part of that you take issue with?

Oh actually, don't bother. Do your hair, put on a wonderbra and go do whatever you do.

FFS
This is what I meant.
Well said seeker

i'm all for regulating, i'm all against exploitation, i'm all for licensing and yes, it's an industry that if you don't want to be in, you should be offered all the support in the world to leave.

but if a woman chooses to make a living that way, would feminism extend to respecting a woman's right to choose?

Catinboots. It's not you.

ok, so my OP description of "wild haired wild eyed women" has clearly caused some offence, for which i apologise and will accept that this was based on one news report, showing said protesters. i do not believe all feminists are of that description.

My word you are STILL missing the point. The fact that you felt the description was even required shows that 'modern' feminism still has a long way to go.

'I'm afraid it is deeply illiberal to want to ban a club because it "deflects our eyes from the real issue of exploited, abused women and girls".

What utter tosh.

seriously, the insults just convince me further.

geek cool- the interview i saw had a woman who accurately matched that description. see my later qualification.

does feminism now extend to insulting other women based on their description of an observed event ? you do yourself no favours.

honestly beertrickspotter, if i wanted to, i would do it- that is my key point. if i WANTED to.

On one hand, individual women can choose to do whatever they want.

On the other, the sex industry is not a good thing for womankind.