Another woman killed by her ex violent shit of a partner.

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It's just so tragic and I feel so angry at another senseless death on a woman by a scum. It's well known leaving an abusive partner is the most dangerous time...why don't the police do more?

It is too sad for words. How can the surviving child even begin to get through something like that?

From the daily fail. I can't link so copied and pasted.

100 threats to kill: Mother handed police texts days before ex-partner gunned down her and their little girl

Shotgun shoved in child's mouth just moments before murders
Watchdog probes claims police knew of volatile situation between parents
A terrified mother handed police 100 menacing text messages from her crazed ex-partner days before he shot her and their two-year-old dead.
Chrissie Chambers, 38, made a formal statement to officers last week about David Oakes?s repeated threats to kill her during a bitter row over access to their daughter.
Nothing was done and yesterday morning Oakes killed Miss Chambers and young Shania in their home.

The killer also shoved his shotgun into the mouth of Shania?s half sister, Chelsea, who saved her life by fleeing through a window and on to the kitchen roof.
Her mother had urged the ten-year-old to ?run, run, save yourself while you can?.
Last night an inquiry was launched by the Independent Police Complaints Commission after it emerged that officers had been called to the house a number of times over the past two years,
It was also claimed that Oakes was subjected to a non-molestation order that prevented him from coming within 100 yards of her.
Stuart Flitt, 26, who is a half brother to Chelsea, said police had been given warning after warning.
?The last time she made a statement was on Thursday ? she was making statements to the police all week,? he said.
?She gave police over 100 text messages but they never took her seriously.
?These texts threatened to kill her ? I had been staying round there for her own safety.?
A close friend of the family said: ?The police said to her ?We cannot do anything until something happens to you?. She was scared ? she sobbed her heart out to me on Friday. This should not have happened.
?The police were in the wrong and they knew about this weeks ago.?

Unemployed Oakes, 50, was under police guard in hospital last night with non life-threatening injuries after turning the gun on himself at the end of a two-hour stand-off at the semi-detached house in Braintree, Essex.
Chelsea?s father, Ian Flitt, said he was woken in the early hours of yesterday morning by Chelsea who was banging on his door.
The 50-year-old said: ?She started screaming ?He is there at the house with a gun? and ?He has put it into Chrissie?s mouth?.?
Oakes killed his former partner before turning the gun on Shania. Chelsea climbed through the window on to the kitchen roof, before dropping ten feet to the ground below and running half a mile barefoot in her nightgown to her father?s house. ?If he was prepared to shoot his own daughter, he would have shot her,? he said.
Oakes, who has been described as an ?abusive, jealous woman hater?, embarked on his killing spree hours before a court appearance over the custody of Shania.
He and Miss Chambers had been together for six years before they split seven weeks ago.
She had had a ten-year relationship with Mr Flitt and they had three children, Levi 16, Guy, 11, and Chelsea, who lived with her and Shania.

Assistant Chief Constable Gary Beautridge of Essex Police said: ?We have had two years of contact between him [Oakes] and the family and as part of the investigation there will be a full and fundamental review of the circumstances of this contact.?
Amid dramatic scenes outside her house yesterday, a distraught man shouted at officers: ?You knew this was going to happen, you could have stopped it.?

Donna Garrod, 20, said Oakes, who is understood to have been a drug dealer, had been violent toward Miss Chambers for years.
?One time he kidnapped Shania and police had to escort Christine to his caravan to get her back,? she said. ?I have seen her with bruises, a black eye and a broken nose.
?The police knew what was going on. I was there most times when the police came round. She had been calling them for two weeks.?
Karran Tomlinson, 35, said she had lived next to Miss Chambers for four years and had heard many violent rows during that time ? including threats from Oakes to kill Shania.
She said: ?Dave was a nasty piece of work. He had been beating her up for years. I think she was just too scared to leave him.
?She finally found the courage to leave him seven weeks ago and now this has happened.?
Police managed to enter the house at around 5.45am, and arrested Oakes who was taken to Broomfield Hospital, in Chelmsford. Last night a life-long friend of Oakes said he had terrorised women for more than 20 years because of his uncontrollable jealously. The woman, who asked not to be named, said: ?As soon as I heard I knew it had to be David.
?He has a vicious temper and is not a man to be crossed.?

CookCleaner, John Charles Menezes was not told to stop and he did not run, that was all made up by the Police.

You need a crystal ball to predict that a violent man might be, um, violent?

notinmykitchen she had hundreds of threatening texts, a non-molestation order (or whatever it's called), the police had been called to incidents before, and teh neighbours all were witnesses to what was going on.

How is that "one persons word against another's"?

This idea that there is never any evidence with DV or rape, and that of course the police can't do anything, is a crock of shit. In loads of cases there is evidence, the problem is that sometimes the police don't take these types of incidents seriously.

That thread on here the other day where the policeman told the woman that her ex was a good bloke and he couldn't imagine him doing anything wrong.
The women who were turned away from the sapphire unit after being attacked by john warboys on the basis that a black cab driver wouldn't do something like that.

WHY do people insist that there is no problem with this when time after time after time after time women are let down by the services that are supposed to be there to protect all of us?

absolutely tragic

this should not have happened (along with the hundreds of other women who have been killed by violent partners) and would not have been if she had got the support and protection that she needed

sadly another woman will die this week at the hands of her parnter or ex partner but the government feels its ok to cut back on funding services for women who are in danger

They need to get these violent men and lock them up. All of them.

ones persons word against another

wtf if someone said they were mugged would we question them why are women always questioned in such a way usually the bruises (often hidden as the attack is well thought out) give the truth away

This is an utterly appalling case, which is all too common. I would like to believe that the police do everything they can, but have sadly had experience of the reality. I had a non-molestation order against my ex partner, and he continued to harrass me online, by phone, and at the contact centre where he had access. One night after being pestered I called the non emergency police number for advice, and the very kind female operator said she would send someone round to chat with me because I sounded worried and upset. Two officers came round; one was a young man who was very kind and filled out a DV assessment. The other, more senior officer was a middle aged man who looked entirely bored, sat there yawning and when I asked for some specific advice on what to do if it continued to occur or escalate he said, very pointedly, to "not cry wolf." They left shortly afterwards with me feeling guilty for wasting their time and worrying what to do if things continued because I didn't want to have to contact them again!

If this is the sort response abused women get when they call for help, it's not suprising that the statistics are so awful.

There are other threads about this; I started one because I failed to look properly for existing ones. Surely we should be organising round the idea of institutional sexism? Loads of people have pointed out how relentlessly often the exact same fucking thing happens over and over again.

not cry wolf. that makes my blood boil. i am at present working in a dv centre (part of my uni course) its shocking the treatment of some women by the police though i have been told that things are getting better and police are being trained. the help support some women have received is encouraging

SardineQueen do you have some knowledge of this that I don't? Are you saying that this man was never arrested following any of the previous incidents? If that is the case then yes, this lady and her children were badly let down by the police. I wasn't aware that there had been any information released saying that was the case. Or could it be that he was arrested, many times possibly convicted of offences, maybe even sent to prison, but it was not enough to prevent him from killing them? Are you saying that any man who threatens a woman should be sent to prison for the rest of his life? Because that is the only way to guarantee this kind of thing won't happen.

Also I did not say there is never any evidence. I said often there is not enough, but many men are successfully prosecuted, unfortunately I do not think they often get the kind of sentence they deserve. That is one of the things I do think the government could improve, more prisons, tougher sentences.

Just had a Loooong discussion with dh about it all actually, I'm feeling rather shocked because it was the town I went to school in.

We discussed gun crime and came to the conclusion that if it was legal to defend yourself with a weapon he could have been stopped in his tracks a long time ago.

We should be able to rely on the police but we should also instil in our daughters and our sons that personal responsibility must be paramount along with making good choices about people. After all we teach people to drive safely and carefully and crucially how to avoid accidents by watching out for other drivers reckless, careless or incompetent behaviour.

I feel desperately sorry for the police involved, the particular road she lived in was known as a trouble spot and if the police are called out time after time it's only human nature that the impact is lessened. Perhaps if it had been in a "better" area with fewer calls to the police they might have been. Or inclined to come down more heavily on the violent bastard in the first place.

While we live in a society that makes excuses for people's abhorrent behaviour, that behaviour will be excused by people who think they can change or help "the victim".

notinmykitchen you said this case was was one persons word against anothers.

How much fucking evidence do people want before they are prepared to accept there is a problem.

Many police obviously have the same mindset as you.

You feel sorry for this police?

And you put the word victim in "". The "victim". So in your mind the woman and the child were only "victims" in this, rather than actual real victims.

I would also like to add that the police officer in question told me that they couldn't do anything about online harrassment because somebody else could have been using my ex's computer to do it. What is the point in having online harassment as part of a non molestation order if the police are powerless to act on it, and what is the point of any of it if they won't accept evidence at face value, and instead look for excuses and get out clauses for the perpetrator?

millie I am sorry you had such a bad experience.

"victim" was in inverted commas because lots of people will see the murderer as a victim - bad childhood, poor parenting, bullying yada yada yada. My point was that while we make excuses for murderous bastards like David Oakes some elements of society will see him as a victim of circumstance, making excuses and finding reasons for the way he behaves. You see it on here all the time! While we are making excuses for these shitbags SOME women will think that they can change them or help them.

Yes, I feel sorry for the police. They are human beings dealing with other human beings, constrained by inadequate laws and rulings.

Believe me SardineQueen I feel nothing but revulsion and horror for the murderer.

I did not say in this case it was one persons word against another. I do not know enough about this case to comment. I said that is often the case, because domestic violence usually happens in the home, behind closed doors, that is the sad fact.

I misread your post alouise, I thought it was the people who had been killed you were describing as "victims". I take that back.

Thank you SQ.

How dreadful. It doesn't surprise me though. I called the police after being attacked while pregnant and hospitalised. After a week they told me they were dropping it because he wasn't in when they went round to his house.

Thanks for the links, I will read up on the latest. I will still wait for an enquiry to complete until I assign any blame.

The problem is that people will often expect the police/courts to be able to do more, do what it is they want them to do. The reality is different. You can't lock people up incase they do something. I am not talking about this case, just generally.

Domestics are given a higher priortity than most other offences and quite rightly too. But no one can read minds or guess what someone is capable of doing, they can only do their best

Police couldn't do more as have to work within the letter of English law now or will be sacked once over they would of warned him off and if that didn't work he would of got a good hiding of them and told leave woman and bairns alone or else. Now English people so 'civilised' Bad men can do what they want to women.

Gyspy womans family would not have given warning part still don't.

'attacked while pregnant'

he should of been given to yard dogs and whats left fed to the pigs

There are some scummy men who start out nice and change .

But there are thousands more who are vile and scummy from the outset and STILL women hook up with them.

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don;t.
Quite frequently they will arrest and charge a man and then the woman will refuse to give evidence or go back to him and the case is dropped and the police's hands are tied.

could have been me too. now hes dead and i am free at last!!!