to think that women with spanking fetishes and suchlike should be ashamed of themselves?

[saidthespiderwithahorridsmile]

ditto being tied up, rape fantasies etc

what sort of message does this sort of "fantasy" send to the male of the species? That really, deep down, women want to be dominated? That physical control is sexy?

Honestly. Women who indulge in this sort of twisted self-hatred need therapy. And to grow up.

you can stick your "how dare you" where the sun don't shine posterofagirl
this is a discussion forum, isn't it? I have brought forward an argument for discussion

I don't expect everyone to agree but you have no right to tell me not to be here. If you can't cope, sod off.

But saidthespiderwithahorridsmile I'm also within a respectful and equal relationship. I like being tied up etc (won't go into detail ) but so does my DH.

What we need is the Thought Police. We can't have women going around thinking irresponsible things. That way leads chaos and naughtiness.

you can stick your "how dare you" where the sun don't shine posterofagirl

posterofagirl I think the OP wants to dominate you.

Hahahahaha @ "What we need is the Thought Police. We can't have women going around thinking irresponsible things. That way leads chaos and naughtiness."

Fantastic Toby

I don't think it's any of your business how people get their kicks in the bedroom. What 2 consenting adults do with each other is down to them. It has no bearing on your life.

Get over yourself.

I did read on a thread once that years of being oppressed by men has led to women having these fantasies as a way of 'legitimising' centuries of ill treatment. Might not have described that entirely accurately, but I do think there are maybe wider reasons for this to be a female fantasy.

Of course what we women need to be doing is lying back and thinking of England. How dare we get above our stations and have fantasies and even worse carry them out with like minded people.

[finally manages to get hold of TobyLerone and administer a sharp paddling]

I disagree that it has no bearing on my life

That's an interesting point karmabeliever. I have heard a similar argument used of individuals rather than women as a social group - that children who are beaten sometimes sexualise violence as a way of coping with the internal turmoil and devastation it causes them. Which is immeasurably sad, IMO.

So expecting this to have been your first post and for you to be a 12yo boy.

Apparently not though.

YABVU.

A good sub/dom relationship relies totally on a very equal partnership, between 2 people who absolutely trust each other and communicate well. That's more than a hell of a lot of vanilla relationships have going for them. I'd argue that actually the kind of men who participate in this are very respectful of women, and their rights, and certainly don't think they can go and behave like that towards every other woman, especially one who doesn't consent.

So would you care to enlighten us as to how it does have bearing on your life then?

If someone is stupid enough to assume that what one woman wants is what every woman wants, then that is their problem. Not that of the woman.

Some women dye their hair. I would not expect my hairdresser to assume I wanted my hair dyed just because "that's what women want". Stupid example, but same principle, surely?

Some men get off on female domination. Is that wrong too?

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Right, I'm off home to be spanked have a lovely romantic evening.

Nope, I am 34 and have two children. And I am not a surrendered wife either! Nor do I hate or fear sex or sexuality.

But the fetishisation of violence against women is something I can neither understand nor approve of.

I like to think that men are intelligent enough to realise that just because some women have a fetish for violence that doesn't mean that the rest do and that they understand the concept of consent!

What a ridiculous OP!

Yep, OP. All those disgraceful fifth columnists for the patriarchy, with their ideologically incorrect sexual fantasies

I sort of see where you're coming from, but surely you must get how silly it sounds to suggest that people should police their fetishes for political reasons?

and what about the men who have spanking fetiches and enjoy being tied up?

We should definitely go for that drink, Toby :o

doh! fetishes

I disagree that it has no bearing on my life

Sorry we'll stop going at it outside your window then. Seriously though how does what I do as a responsible grown adult affect you when its not hurting anyone except me and I bloody like it?

I mean, the whole point of fetishes is often that they're forbidden or shameful. Which makes it all the more likely that a vehement feminist would have a spanking fetish

Likely as many men like being spanked and dominated as women.

< runs off before being accused of being a perv >

What they do is their business. If it's between 2 consenting adults what's the problem.
Off to slap DH around while he wears my frilly panties ;)