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AIBU to think that my exH is a shit for asking my DS2 to live with him after 11 years

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womanwholivedinashoe · 30/05/2011 22:06

We are relocating to Norfolk from London in the next 6 weeks and have just told my EXH and his wife. My DS2 is 14 and doesn't want to move but due to finances, family reasons etc we don't really have a choice. I've looked into secondary schools for him and have set up appointments and have arranged for him to start training with the local football team but................. I do know he is unhappy about the move. So AIBU when my ex then phones up DS2 and offers him a room in his house in Cambridgeshire (see still having to move) and i'm brokenhearted that DS2 is considering it. I know if he decides to move in with his dad I can't say or do anything as it'll be his choice but its killing me:(. I've looked after DS2 on my own since he was 3 and only in the last 2 years met and married.

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swallowedAfly · 31/05/2011 18:45

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SardineQueen · 31/05/2011 18:56

It's under 2 hours to london on the train, it's not like you're moving to the highlands!

For some reason in my head when I read "norfolk" I thought "cornwall"!!!!! Norfolk isn't far at all.

AnnieLobeseder · 31/05/2011 18:57

I'm a bit confused how posters keep managing to miss that fact that moving in with dad would NOT mean the son gets to stay at his current school with his friends. He will be moving far away no matter which parent he lives with.

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exoticfruits · 31/05/2011 19:08

DS woke up this morning hugged me and said he loved me and there never was any question as to where he would live.

Of course he would! Smile that was always my point! A DC who has a loving mother, secure homelife and unconditional love is never ever going to choose a man he doesn't know who hasn't given him these things.
All you need to do is have a calm, rational discussion. There is no need to say 'you can't come back if you go'-that is conditional love as in 'I will love you if you behave the way I want you to'. No one should be using manipulation.
I wasn't accusing you of 'slagging him off', OP-that came from later posters who seemed to have no problem in saying 'one of your next of kin is a shit' as if DC has nothing to do with him!
My other point was that you need to help him settle and since it is Norwich and not a very rural part and you already know it , I'm sure he will be fine (if it was me I would prefer it to London) . Good luck.

I don't take back any of my comments about manipulation. And OP has proved that 14 yr olds are not stupid-most are.

exoticfruits · 31/05/2011 19:09

Sorry-the exact opposite to what I meant! Most 14 yr olds are not stupid.

millie30 · 31/05/2011 19:21

So if a DC will always chose a secure homelife and unconditional love over the alternative, do you concede that nurture is more important than nature exoticfruits?

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exoticfruits · 31/05/2011 19:27

It overrides everything, millie, in that children are not as stupid as people think-they know who gives security and unconditional love. You don't need a sledge hammer to crack a nut!
For character, nature is more important. If your DC is a shy introverted character, you can try and get them to be more outgoing, but you probably won't succeed. If they are a risk taker you are not going to get them to be cautious about every move, if they are tone deaf they are not going to be a great violinist (however much you spend on lessons) etc. etc.

SardineQueen · 31/05/2011 19:32

The DC saw that her mother had been crying. I'm sure that some on this thread will hasten in shortly with accusations of emotional manipulation...

I'm not convinced that a DC will always choose home over friends, possible girlfriends, an adventure into the unknown etc etc either.

womanwholivedinashoe · 31/05/2011 19:36

SQ he didn't see me crying (although might have heard me) I did pull him up on it in the morning when he'd said "no question where" and I said couldn't you have said that to me last night so I dodn't have to CRY all night long, bless DH for having to cope with it lol!!

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exoticfruits · 31/05/2011 19:37

That is the difference I think they would choose home. If they are really going to go for the adventure do you not think they might resent you later?

womanwholivedinashoe · 31/05/2011 19:37

didn't lol

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SardineQueen · 31/05/2011 19:55

I was only joking womanwholivedinashoe! Of course it's not abusive to have emotions Smile

SardineQueen · 31/05/2011 20:01
womanwholivedinashoe · 31/05/2011 20:46

:) i know lol!!

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exoticfruits · 31/05/2011 22:16

Of course it is SardineQueen-no one is suggesting otherwise! Just go about it in a straightforward way-not by manipulation.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 31/05/2011 23:35

I'm glad that this has worked out well, womanwholivedinashoe - and I'd like to reassure you (as I said in my first post) that moving schools at your ds's age can work fine - it did for us - and in fact has greatly improved the dses lives, in ways that we could not have anticipated when we moved up here.

Rapaccioli - I think I didn't express myself well to you. I absolutely understand and respect why you didn't want your older dc to go and live with his father, and when I was talking about children making wrong decisions, and it being a parent's responsibility to pick up the pieces, I wasn't clear that I wasn't specifically talking about this situation. What I should have said that as children grow up, we as parents do have to let them make some decisions, and this must increase as they get older, so that they can learn to be independant when they leave home. However, the level of decision they should be allowed to make has to depend on their age and maturity - for example, I let my dses go without coats to school when in Junior school (I didn't nag them to remember them) and if they were cold, they had to live with that consequence.

As they got older, I let them make decisions about things like music lessons, scouts, other hobbies etc. When it came to time to move to secondary school, we listened very closely to the boys, and supported them in the choices they made about which schools to apply to, and whether to take the 11+ - even though ds1 and ds2 chose, and got into, two different selective grammar schools, when it would have been far more convenient, as well as more economical, to have them both at one.

However, there are clearly some decisions you can let a child take on their own, and others where you as the parent have to be involved to some extent - and in the decision that you and your older dc, and the OP and her ds had to make, clearly you and the OP had to be heavily involved. I don't know what discussions went on with your dc before the point where you told them if they went, they wouldn't be allowed back - I assume you were absolutely clear about why their 'father' was a bad parent, and why it was such a bad idea that he moved in with him. Assuming this had happened, and not worked, I suspect, in your shoes, I would have forbidden him to go, instead of using manipulation as you did.

And I still find it really hard to imagine any mother turning their child away - even if he had broken up his family, gone to live with his father, and deeply hurt his mother and siblings. I'm imagining a situation where he's made this (wrong) decision, deeply regrets it, has fallen out with his father and feels rejected by him, and literally has nowhere left to turn because his mother is rejecting him too. I could not do that, and find it hard to imagine anyone could.

NonnoMum · 31/05/2011 23:42

Glad this is working out well for you. Good luck.

One tip - when DS is registered in his new school DO NOT let them not take the options that he wants by saying the groups are full or whatever. It is really important that he settles into his new school, and, if the school had a place for him, then make sure the option groups have a place for him too.

Does that make sense?

exoticfruits · 01/06/2011 07:49

That was the point that I was trying to make to Rapaccioli, StayingDavidTennantsGirl, I just didn't articulate it so well.
(you did in one post what it took me about 6 and people still misunderstood me!)

womanwholivedinashoe · 01/06/2011 08:38

It does NonnoMum, school have been really lovely and have even suggested the same thing that if his options that he wanted to take were full their school might not be the right choice for DS. List of his options were sent to the school and they are trying their best to accommodate, meeting with them in 2 weeks so that DS can have a walk around discuss subjects and see if he would like to go there before filling out application.

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