TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

Nijinsky, is that correct, more than 1 in 4? I apologise if the link to support that has been done already, but do you have one? This thread has left me behind at times and i've missed bits!

it may be so but is not the general health of certain parts of the north and scotland worse than the south so i guess that may account for that partially but i dont know any facts or figures for that, im just once again using as nijinsky just did a bit of a sweeping statement there sorry to anyone from the north or scotland i do appologise im just going by previous things ive read and documentaries.

you do realise they get the car instead of the dla and not both nijinsky just incase people get the wrong idea again all these sweeping generalisations isnt fair to genuine people this is what causes such ill feeling

Family link or no, if it's wrong then report it.
Have the courage of your convictions.

Where is the evidence for the 1 in 4 statistic?

smileandwave I know that (about the cars) - my father got one. tbh it would have been far better for him not to have got one as his disability could easily have been reversed at that stage by exercise from walking.

All I say is, go to somewhere like Airdrie or Saltcoats in Ayrshire, and then you will see what I mean.

I found the statistic by googling it. On this site

www.realising-potential.org/stakeholder-factbox/disabled-people-worldwide/

there are links to various other sites for further statistics used too.

Only people on high rate mobility dla get motability cars. To get high rate dla you must be virtually unable to walk or suffer terrible pain. You then lose dla to get a car that is far more expesnive than just buying one out of your own money. We have a motability car that takes wheelchairs. Id rather buy an old banger than lose all of dds mobility dla.

i believe you i dont have anyy reason not to but im saying you cant tar us all with the same brush people shouldnt use sweepig statements i mean my friend who has cancer is having his money reduced he is still ill but in remission hes basically being punished for not dieing sooner thats how it looks

Glitterknickas, as I say, as soon as I can do so without causing a massive issue within the family, I will. I do have the courage of my convictions- and at the moment my convictions are that, sadly, I need to keep my word and not report it.

Thanks for link nijinsky, I will have a look. I must say I am surprised it is that high.

It is all very difficult, the pot of money is not endless and it is such a shame that massive amounts are wasted on pointless things when so many people in need have to struggle.

Bloody hell, that makes for scary reading. Why do we have such a high percentage as a country? I wonder how they have defined disability, is it a case of defining it differently in different countries, or were the same standards applied to all countries?

I have just looked at those figures nijinsky

There are many reasons why we might have the second highest rate of disbility in Europe. Only one is fruad.

We have excellent healthcare. This means that perhaps those that may have not survived childhood in other less developed countries do here. Disabled children do turn into disabled adults.

Do we know if the stats are gathered in a consistant way in all of the countries mentioned on the page linked?

It is well know that in some countries e.g. Romania, disability has huge stigma attached to it. Because people do not identify themselves or their relatives as disabled does not mean they are not.

If the countries mentioned do not offer support for disabled people why bother to register or report a disability. Infact if the only support available is institutionalization it would make sense NOT to report or register.
Romania again - are you suprised at the low rate considering that children born with disabilities were left to die in hospital and if they didnt die spent their lives in orphanages?

The langauge used in the report also troubles me. It jumps around from long term disability to disabled to ill health etc. Its very inconsistant. Why? Is it because its cobbled together from differing stats all using different methods?

If I were you i really wouldnt base my ideas about disability on that web page or you dad or those scottish people swanning about with blue badges.

Well you can, if it suits you. Which I suspect it does.

It explains that how it is calculated but basically they have tried to compare the figures in different countries. But 1 in 4 sounds about right to me. I am sure in some of the places I've mentioned and around here its more than 1 in 4, so if other areas have less, that would balance out. In some places in the west of Scotland, you are talking about 3 generations of the same family who have never had anyone in them who has had a job. Add to that the type of ill health and lifestyles which results in lower life expectancy, and you have higher numbers of disabled. Thats what I mean by a culture of disability. When you have no other options, disability benefits are a step forward from unemployment.

As I mentioned, my friend is a GP and she had to go through a horendous complaints procedure when she refused to register a man as disabled, as he was basically running his own start up business at the time and she didn't think he met the criteria and stuck to her guns. You can be certain that some experienced GPs in some areas of high disability claims do not want to go through that sort of thing and are not perhaps terribly stringent in ensuring the rights checks for eligibility are adhered to.

I agree with many of your conclusion mrsdevere, there must be some serrious inconsistencies for Italy to have 6.6% and us to have 27.2% unless something extremely odd is going on!

Nijinsky, the 3 generations with no job is not limited to Scotland I can assure you.

What happened with your friend, did the person get turned down? Does seem a little odd to be trying to start claiming while also starting your own business.

I will try not to base my opinions solely on the web page or what I see around me Mrs De Vere. Some of the posters on here have been very eloquent and opened my eyes to the types of people who do really need such assistance. I also know that my mother had lymphatic cancer for 10 years and didn't get disability benefits. You do tend to base your opinions though on what you encounter on a daily basis, and it is very much that way around here. You probably wouldn't believe it unless you saw it with your own eyes. I do think the 1 in 4 figure for the UK is pretty accurate though, although if you are in the south east of England it may not be so evident.

He gave up the claim eventually Jade, as his business took off. My friend was still investigaged though and found not to be at fault, but it was stressful for her.

Italy has a culture of families living together and looking after each other more than here.

I hope it hasn't put her off acting in the same way in future, yes it must have been very stressful.

I think you've a point about family responsibility- do you mean you think that some disables in Italy are not counted in the numbers as they are supported by family not by the state?

as for reporting people you would need to have a lotof knowledge of a very complex benefit system; otherwise you could be libelling them ( I know its done anonymously)

I don't think that is really libel though Scousyfogarty? It is reporting a suspicion.

I write a lot of stuff under my name. One has to be a little careful I would sooner report a cheating banker or big business man cheers

still as i say we the people disabled and who ARE in dire need as my DH and DS are being targeted by this government NOT just the people guilty as youve mentioned of fraudulent and people starting buisnesses i can assure you my autistic son will never be starting a buisness because he is for want of a better phrase too autistic and my DH who is ex sevices will unless he wants to sit at a till in a wheelchair (and ive never seen anyone do this) when hes only trained in one job in his life and is severly disabled now and cannot do it any longer, yet unlike prisoners cant retrain as he is not allowed retraining they will not pay for it for him (hes on incapacity and dla) they dont pay for retraining if your on this and they wont pay as hes too ill and think its a waste of funds but will pay if he goes around taking from society by robbing banks and thats even more unlikly he will ever be able to give back to society, is that fair is that right he has given his all for the country andis now forgotten by them its disgusting

god hope people dont (but they will ) on that pile of poop thats supposed to be a report on world dissabilities scary stuff damn right because its ill informed badly writen ( im not the sharpest knife in the draw0 dont claim to be but anyone can see the bias and cobbled together information and badly gathered statistics that do not take important information and put it in context if i wasnt worried about my families future i certainly have plenty to be scared of now knowing how easily swayed people are how in this country we love to put people down tar them with the same brush and kick a man when hes down if i end up homeless and penniless will anyone be surprised or even care as long as we can all take the moral high ground and think weve won anargument .. i hope they can sleep well and have plenty of horlicks in the cupboard and remember there but for the grace of god go i because this is my life there playing with its not much of a life atm its more just existing and struggling to get by hand to mouth , not much happiness to spread forth for my DS is it

jade80, thank you for explaining the reasoning, but I'm afraid I'd say the same thing to someone claiming that there were 12.7 times more rapes than they have proof for. Because if they are not proved then they may not exist. You may speculate that there are more than are reported/proved (and I wouldn't be surprised that there were more), but to present a number as fact when it is a guess is wrong. The is no proof that the 0.8% is inaccurate - just guesses.

I don't think there is anything wrong with investigating disability claims. There are obviously genuine claimants but I know of several who could easily work and have been costing this country huge amounts over the years. These people need to be stopped.