TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

are you sure they are claiming disability or another benefit some are sorry about wording here more temporary than others no ones on indefinate my friend who has cancer and was given 6 months to live but hes still here 10 years later hes not on disability now hes still incapacitated and takes so many drugs and has a caloscopy (dont know spelling ) bag and is always so very tired bu hes out lived their prediction and is being treated like a fraud then i too know someone who i see walking all over town but has a car on dla but ive no idea if he recieves any other benefits of and one should always remember this you cant ALWAYS see disability he could have serious heart problem but walks ok you cant SEE a bad heart doesnt mean hes commiting benefit fraud so i wouldnt dream of tipping them off allim reminding you is just because someone as you were saying earlier gets out of a car and has a blue badge but looks well it can be one of the invisible disabilities ... unfortunately there as i said earlier liars and people commiting fraud out there as there are politicians that are liars and fraudsters

Smiley If you are talking jobs for the disabled then some big companies have a legal liability to employ a tiny (I dont know if they keep the rules. Because govt seem to be afraid of big business. Most people think Camerons idea is to move disabled to JS and pay them 30 quid less. (With noreal chance of a job)The gov in what they said today were probably looking for tabloid headlines. And making many disabled people afraid of going through more andmore unsympathic interview. Thats what the london marchwas about. Put bluntly, govt as bullies. Bullies of vulnerable people

its these public schoolboys they would be flushing our heads down toilets if they could scousy lol

Someone I know has been claiming for decades for an old arm injury but will go away for the weekend with an outdoor pursuits club. This type of person should be reviewed and stopped but again I know the majority are genuine. It just annoys me so much that they never crack down on the right people.

Smile Auberon Waugh, who I liked ,was talking to working class people. one said Well you were inthe showers public school having a mystery object stuffed up your bum (Waugh thought that was funny) But he was proba bly just having a shower

Scousyfogarty, do you seriously think the government set out to bully vulnerable people?! Yes, I understand that many of the government systems and departments and procedures are flawed. But you seem to be saying that the whole point of all of this is that they want to bully people?! You have to accept that at this time, in this country, disabled people are more fortunate than in most places and at most times during all of history. Yes, there are examples of unfortunate people and regrettable situations, but I do not think that your statements are justified.Many people within the government probably have as deep a desire for change as you do. The system is large and unwieldly, but I do not think it is 'out to get you' as you seem to.

That is a far cry from disability and the callous govt; it will return tomorrow. In fact I think it will run for the next 4 years Gabby Logan may post in later seriously anyone who reads the whole of this site will know a lot about the subject. I thank everyone who has taken part and will take part.

same old shit, someone always comes out with some story about someone they know, when in reality they don't really know if they are disabled or not, they just guess cos they see the person on a good day.
disabled people have lost and scam cam has one, this thread proves it, the people who believe him, and would rather that vulnerable people suffer rather that one cheat claims, I hope all the people posting this tuff, can live with the results. it is silly to say that this would have happened under labour, labour isn't the party bringing these sick cuts in, it is the cons/libs sitting pretty in their ivory towers with no idea what it is like down here in the real world.

jade80 did you really just say that
"in this country, disabled people are more fortunate than in most places and at most times during all of history. "
fucking hell are you DP?

there not what id call investigating it smileyfacesta its more of a witch hunt i think there are much more important groups to look into its as we said earlier go for the weakest and easiest targets we are sitting ducks when they are offering to save money by putting all society in danger with their , lets get rid of more police get rid of more servicemen (forget ex servicemen) forget equipment and housing for them oooh this is great saving um lets get rid of a lot of ships, and planes lets give more foreign aid and bugger disabled kids and the elderly the scroungers they can take a hike ohh no they can though can they lol oh lets give rapists child molesters and burglers 50% off there sentence for an early plea ,lets scrap the schools plans and let em pay for themselves that saves millions, letting people out early puts us all in danger and what about their victims so im sick of hearing but they have to save money how about oooh not putting mums who cant aford to pay their tv licence and its a first offence in jail (scrap it altogether ffs) when they are SAHSM's and the \tv is the only entertainment they have for their poverty stricken kids how about capping child benefit so THAT goes to those who need it most instead of everyone in the land getting it i hardly think the guy next door to me whos a designer for ea sports on £200.000 a year needs it i damn well know i do.

It was TV. I wrote to his widow when he snuffed it the point you make about labour has been covered. But Camerooney is boss now.Ministers check with him. He looks for tabloid headlines against disabled people, He should think again

Well, I'm sorry shoesytwosy, but it is true. Can you give examples of countries and time periods where there was or is more support than currently in the UK? However many examples you can give, I suspect there are many more cases to the contrary, therefore placing us at the fortunate end of the scale. There are no two ways about it, the state of welfare in this country is at the better end of the scale.

Please do read the rest of my post for context though- I am NOT saying the situation is good by any means. Just a hell of a lot better than in the past/other places.

Oh btw, who is DP? Apologies if i'm being slow.

wtf
oh great so we can just tell disabled people, never mind, you are more fortunate that people were years ago...... yep that will help.
ffs

''it is silly to say that this would have happened under labour, labour isn't the party bringing these sick cuts in, it is the cons/libs sitting pretty in their ivory towers with no idea what it is like down here in the real world''

You're a labour supporter then? And may I ask which party were in power when the situation of a large deficit arose? And who was responsible for the massive overspending that left the current government with so many cuts to make? Gordon 'an end to boom and bust' Brown and his cronies, that's who.

Oh yes, sorry. I was forgetting how FORTUNATE my children are to have to live with their disabilities every day, how FORTUNATE they are that they will never live a normal, independent life.

It's so fucking cushy. I'm loving it.

Who was responsible for the deficit?

Not the disabled.

That's not quite what I'm saying, shoesy. You seem to be deliberately taking my comments out of context. I am pointing out that in fact as a nation we are quite fortunate. I am also pointing out that it seems, to me, unfair to say that the government are 'out to get' people and have a desire to bully.

Glitternickaz, not David Cameron either.

great irony Glitter. I think we should stop b ugging each other and hit at the big target with thepower to do something about it.

No, but he is the leader of the party containing Iain Duncan Smith, responsible for the welfare reforms.

He is the leader of the party containing Maria Miller who has behaved downright disgracefully in her role as Minister for the Disabled.

As head of the party he bears ultimate responsibility for the actions undertaken by that party.

See Gabby, people are never going to understand that all the money in the world won't give my children a level playing field with their peers.

The money enables us to survive and care for our children, saving the state nearly a quarter of a million pounds a year. That's just our family.

Cutting money and services to disabled people will not magically get rid of disability. What it will do is put those with disabilities into poverty, along with their carers.

Get used to seeing people with Autism and people in wheelchairs on the streets folks.

Carers save this country billions.

not David Cameron either.
...but he sure is gonna make the vulnerable pay,right?

''Oh yes, sorry. I was forgetting how FORTUNATE my children are to have to live with their disabilities every day, how FORTUNATE they are that they will never live a normal, independent life.

It's so fucking cushy. I'm loving it.''

You are joking, right? I am not saying your children are fortunate to be disabled. I am saying that they are fortunate to live in a place and time where they have a good chance (comparitively) of receiving support to let them live as good a life as possible. They may never live a normal independent life, as you put it. They will live a life though, something many people in many places at many times (including those with the same condition, whatever it is, as your child) have probably not been so lucky with.