TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

Yeah, it's really all gravy. I'm just loving it, cancer, smancer, gimme the money!

You consider yourself on DLA fraudulently wubblybubbly?

No I most certainly do not, don't ask such stupid fucking questions, you really are beyond insensitive aren't you?

"No I most certainly do not"

Strange. Becasue my post clearly want meant for you then, was it?

I know its hard not to turn every DLA post into some kind of personal insult against yourself, but do try.

Having just helped my aunt apply for DLA it is certainly not possible to "just lie". You have to provide considerable corroborative evidence, especially if it's for something with a wide-ranging spectrum, such as autism in my aunt's case. You don't just get on it and stay on it either. You have to keep reapplying at regular intervals.

As for other countries, my sister lives in Australia with her husband and DC, the eldest of which also has autism. It took several years, and several thousands of pounds for them to get a diagnosis and professional help. Even now they are having to pay $200 for every consultation she has, which involves three different consultants seen at a rate of about every 6 weeks. The level of care is good when you get it (goes beyond what you'd get over here), but that's not much consolation if you can't get it or if you can't even afford it. Fortunately my BIL is earns a good salary.

It's not hard at all ccpccp, most people on here, whether I agree with them or not, are able to demonstrate some empathy.

Lets try and not fight each other. It is a serious subject about the way disabled people are being treated by the current government

I have lived in an area where the majority of people on disability could easily be called scroungers. In fact I was told a way to get myself on it "so you don't ever have to go out to work". People with drug and drink problems should not get disability.

Ironically when my friend's son was born with a severe and progressive disability she had (and still does) to fight tooth and claw for anything and has had years to wait for respite etc. She has arthritis herself so by the time her boy is an adult (sadly he may not get that far) she has been told she'll likely be in a wheelchair. Now if those who are claiming without actually suffering from anything were taken out of the system...alternatively it would be justice if they experienced the actual problems they pretend they have..

Just don't get me started on "carers" who go on holiday with people for whom the system should be looking out for.

It would be an exceptional kind of moron to think everyone on disability was a scrounger and the OP obviously has an issue more with Cameron than anything else.

Heheheh.
Erm. Guess what I've got in the post this morning?
DLA form to fill in for DD, as she's now 3 and qualifies for mobility.
I only filled one in six months ago.

bangs head against brick wall
cries

sunshineandbooks thank you that was what i badly was trying to say same as the usa basically so if you cant afford to pay the assistance / medical provision isnt there really which has GOT to make life terrible for a lot of people with differing dissabilities , mt friend , as someone whos an ex pat that i know she loved living there but has now had to return she also though found peoples attitudes bad towards her DC but that could happen anywhere i guess perhaps the town she was living in being as she worked on a farm was not very progressive in their knowledge of autism and dissability in general.

gives up on being made to feel we have to explain ourselves to insensitive ill informed people

you forgot patronising, smile

just for the record how do these people who profess to be dissabled ccpccp get away with lying when they have to show evidence plus DLA contact your specialist at the hospital your gp your work place and then send you for an (independant ) check up with their own experts? wow they must have half the medical profession in their back pocket of course some mentally ill people may be able to do that possibly but being as its from what ive read the benefit with the least fraud ect i still dont see why they begin their campagine against the vunerable first i could make a list of better places to start as long as my bog roll

'DLA is harder to get on, but when you get there its allll gravy.'

You do that's bollocks don't you ccpccp?

Apart from the fact that I don't know anyone who would describe being disabled as 'all gravy' which is offensive in itself, you have to reapply often - sometimes yearly. Many, many honest claimants have to go to appeal over and over to get what they are entitled to. Many claimants get turned down and don't push on and appeal because the bloody forms are depressing and demoralising especially as a parent repeating ad infinitum what your child can't do and how different they are to a 'normal' child.

And the DWP still seem to think that someone with a lifelong condition like being quadriplegic will somehow suddenly be able to walk the requisite 50 metres or be able to feed themselves or communicate.

"DLA is harder to get on, but when you get there its allll gravy."

You clearly are an idiot. Dd was born completely quadriplegic. She is 7. In 7 years i have filled in the bastard 72 page DLA form for her 4 times and had to provide medical evidence each and every time to prove her brain damage hasnt miracuously vanished. Each time the form is a nightmare, each time i end up sobbing. Gravy my arse. And the money does not begin to cover her needs, equipment and support needs.
Perhaps before you pontificate you take some time to actually learn ccpcc

i think the op TwoIfBySea is rightly angry at cameron because some of us are in dire need just like your friend and under new rules probably wont be able to recieve help for eg already my dearest friend has been taken off because he has outlasted his diagnosis he was given 6 months to live and he is atm in remission but still can hardly walk and breathe and has a caloscopy bag , but is a stuborn old boot so doesnt use a wheelchair he mostly just avoids much walking but he is still going to die soon but who knows he could be dead within weeks to take him off just because he didnt die within 6 also ive been informed when they make such rediculous mistakes people will be having the right to appeal revoked same with my son who will miraculously be counted as suddenly better according to mr cameron he is moderately autistic but has other complex needs that apparently they dont give a fig about and there we are with same situation with the LA and statements for SEN they are revoking the right to appeals surely these are our basic rights under european law they do make mistakes look back at my prev post on here the other day at how many mistakes they make giving DEAD people DLA how about sorting that out first would be a good idea

They cannot by law remove the right of appeal, so if they actually try to it will be a long drawn out process. They cannot remove it completely they can change it from an 'appeal' to a 'review'. I cannot see it happening, there is alot of movement against it and as other decisions have been overturned by the campaigning of charities etc, this will be also.

The biggest damage to the statementing process has been the removal of legal aid for educational matters, it took the power out of the hands of parents, who had in reality very little power anyway.

you cant get a review of a statement if you were never awarded it in the first place so you will not be allowed to appeal and wont be getting if it does have to go that far they wont be getting legal aid which if people are carers of dissabled id take a guess (as in majority of cases inc my own i know) wouldnt have funds to continue with the case,as i say the consevatives are supposed to be trying to implament this and same for the dla i didnt say they will be successful but they are trying to do this so it will have to probably go to the EU courts for human rights i had to fight although my ds was complex needs and fairly severe and now goes to SS tooth and nail for the last 10 years to get him there having now serious health problems made far much worse because of the mental and physical stress that caused, seeing your DC at age 9 trying to end his suffering because he has as yet never recieved any help hes now under CAMHS thanks to them

missed out asd and complex needs that are severe sorry

Big charities such as MENCAP are ready and waiting to challenge any extreme decisions via the EU and the courts. As much as a disgrace the incident of those with LD's mistreated in the care home is, it has bought the discussion back the treatment of those with LD's. Fiona Pilkingtons case is currently in the news also as the police have been found guilty of lacking in their duty towards the family. Outside of the public eye this puts this topic back onto the agenda, so certain decisions that the government would have liked to have sneaked through, are now not so easy to do.

Yep, it's that piss easy. I've loved filling in those forms for the last five years. I didn't get seriously ill with depression after doing 2 at the same time. Oh no.

Only eight forms in five years, oh scrap that nine I did one today.

I 'do' DLA forms and tribunals in my voluntary job (as well as previously in my paid work and personal life) and there are people who only get 6 month awards.

My DD got awarded 18mths. Even though her treatment was for at least two years.

So we had to reapply with all those forms and questions when she was terminal.

That was really easy

smile I don't think it is Cameron's fault per se rather a status quo that has been allowed to go on for far too long resulting in this witch-hunt.

Yes, I've seen the hoops M has had to go through to get her son somewhere. They got one weeks respite last year, her ds is 8. She isn't too well herself.

What would it take for someone who is competent to look at this? It is just the same as all government benefits, ripe for the cheating but a pain for those who really need it.

Maybe the MPs could have used some of the extra £4million in expenses they awarded themselves this year in trying to get this in order? Hmmm?

I don't think that there has been a 'status quo' in terms of DLA, other benefits perhaps.

The disabled and especially those with LD's and MH problems are the easiest groups to attack and don't get the sympathy of the public.

The Conservatives have never supported laws and benefits for the disabled, they tried to block the disability Discrimination Act amongst others because they knew it would have to change benefit provision for the disabled. You only have to study the wording on "21st Century Welfare" which lays out the plans towards carers, also. They speak of 'conditionality' and 'responsibility' as though the disabled and their carers have choice in the matter of work.