TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

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That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

The history of unoffical eugenics also has to be taken into account when discussing European countries. Those that are disabled varies to those born with the disability and allowed to live into adulthood and those that were wounded in wars or injured, so it is difficult to compare across the EU or with the US and Australia in regards to how 'the disabled' are treated.

The criteria for disability benefits have tightened so even those in geunine need are now being denied a reasonable standard of living and are being plunged into poverty.

ive a disabled husband disabled by war and a son born with autism and other complex needs so i totally agree Birdsgottafly. im not comparing at all i think to compare is ludicrous. its totally dependant figures on how they percieve disability in that said country and their treatment of the sick and disabled ,its impossible and some posters keep repeating stupid statistics ... they dont appear to realise these are real people not statistics . certain poster keeps saying im being selfishas were better off being disabled in the uk than anywhere else theres nothing good or lucky about being disabled wherever you are and the reason i so selfishly keep mentioning my problems on this thread is because my DH and DS are the inocent victims these changes will adversly affect my DS is vunerable (i prefer to think of my DH as he was and although disabled i think of him as the man he was not what/who he has become) they are both in genuine need but my DH under nnew rules (hes trying to retrain not helped by a government who wont help fund retraining for someone on incapacity) but they want him after losing limbs and having other health problems that are quite complex will want him to return back to work asap ready or not well enough yet or not because a pen pusher unqualified to decide says so. so upsetting that according to a couple of posters they dont believe my DH (ex serviceman) who is now disabled deserves respect because these awful remarks were made aout "people like him" people like him ? what a scrounging waste of space you mean . i thought the majority were proud of our boys in the service but how wrong can i be im obviously very stupid middle aged woman.

that was very hard reading but totally makes me wonder what i will do for the bestand who what will we do for DS its very scary and made me cry

Smile - that wasn't directed at you. The US started to improve provision for 'the disabled' after Vietnam but still carried on eugenics, so it said nothing for how they felt or behaved towards disabled people. I think that anyone with a disabled child is fearful for their future. Things were moving in the right direction before the change in government.

A brilliant post by Acumenin, which must have taken some time to construct (well for me anyway, Acumenin may knock out brilliant post like that every 5 minutes)

It doesn't surprise me that some posters haven't felt inclined to take up the offer of a reasonable debate about this, it's clear they are here to merely insult, not engage.

nothing to do with the argument about people claiming DLA being scroungers, which of course some are some aren't, as with every benefit some need some cheat. I am concerned how *Glitters dc is receiving NO cardiac care!!!??

sorry the glitter didn't highlight

Or speech therapy.... but I'd settle for getting her heart sorted tbh.

You see I find that so hard to believe being the parent of a child who has an irrepairable heart condition. He has had 2 open heart surgeries so far and soon be expecting another. This then brings you to another one of governments shake ups......RE childrens heart care. Please tell me you are bot under Leeds??

that should of been not

Nope, was under Brighton but as there are no clinics happening there at all we've been transferred to the Evelina, that's delayed things by another 6 months.

Glitterknickaz that link is heartbreaking, even worse cos it happens,

Wubbly - In fairness I said I would like to debate the issues with Acumenin.

These transfers would of been assessed though and you should have bleep/mobile/direct contact numbers for the cardiac liaison nurse in between, so not being without entirely.

sorry shoesy I couldn't read past the 1st few sentences, my life took a dramatic turn for the worse at 4, so not wanting to lift any ptsd.

devientenigma don't blame you, I think I could only read it as it isn't how my dd is iynwim, but it does sum up well what a lot of people are going through, form the "childs" eyes

its ok Birdsgottafly i understood your post your ok xx mine wasnt directed at you either but other people who had upset me previously im getting sentimental in my old age and as in such a awful situation often rather on this particular subject and SEN easily riled but not at all by your comments

Sorry Lesley, not having a go at you. I do think that, whilst you might have a differing opinion in some areas, you have always engaged and debated and taken on board experiences from those going through it. You've not insulted anyone as far as I know?

im so sorry and scared for you Glitter well your little one bless its so upsetting bloody statistics and funding this is real people and that programme and footage were agonising wernt they

yes i agree , wubbly no one minds Lesley having a different opinion no one minds people thinks differently we all vary in beliefs and Lesleys been thoughtful in her comments ((hugs)) it would be so nice if everone could agree to disagree without vitriol but respecting one anothers personal situation

isnt that a long way for you its london isnt it but a fantastic hospital so hopefully worth it glitter

Nijinsky, 22.5% of the population are not claiming DLA. The total spend in 2009 was £10.5bn. EOM. 3m receive it, or roughly 4.9% of the population. 1.8m of those people are of working age; the rest are children and pensioners. There are 510,000 people receiving the highest rate (hr) of Care and Mobility. The figures are available at the DWP.

To give you some idea of the levels of disability we're talking about with HR, my DP, whose spinal cord injury is around C4 (quadriplegic), qualified for HR in January '10, after a grade 4 pressure sore meant I now have to turn him over every 120 minutes, night and day. Before, he slept through for six hours, so he was middle rate care, high rate mobility (460,000 on this).

Er, sorry for the stray EOM there, haha! Sometimes I just accidentally type what I hear in the background.

And, sorry Lesley - I have mumsnet on Leechblock after 9am, which is why I didn't reply yesterday.

So, there are a couple of things that really strike me about DLA and the way it works. It trusts you to know best about your own life. It doesn't operate as coercively as other benefits. People are so different, and disability affects them so differently, that it's really impossible to say X impairment needs Y assistance.

For example, we use the Mobility money to buy technology and components to construct our own internal network, speech operated. I'm not great at speaking and listening so we mostly communicate through instant messenger. DP uses the speech operated laptop to control the rest of the network, manage his media, and he can do the shopping, order food, use the phone, pay the bills - in fact he does all the non-physical running of the house. It gives him vastly more independence than a motability car (we take the cash not the car). And with the system he's designed, coded, and I've built, he's also writing software that speaks to the unbelievably terrible "control prog" assistive technologies that the NHS provide, and may eventually replace those (over a grand a time) systems with a free app you can use on your phone. So that seems like a good example where allowing choice about what you do with the money has empowered him and enriched society generally. And of course it would not be right either to make people take money on condition they develop software and systems! For many people the car would be more empowering and helpful. So the choice is key. A car for us would be a waste.

The other thing that works well about DLA, that I would generalise, is that it's not based on households. The benefits trap is that personal incomes in households are shackled together, so if you're in a relationship with someone who is disabled, if you cannot totally support them, you basically have to stick on benefits yourself. I experience this as enslavement.

I wonder what it would cost to have a citizens income, say, £12k a year each for everyone over 18, then components of £2.5k for children, pensioners, and disabled people, then we all just pay 40% tax on everything we earn from pound one. No pensions, no tax credits, no dole, just sling the whole system and start again.

Argh, got to go, but it's an interesting topic. Will try to return.

How on earth could you make a fraudulent claim for DLA? When I applied for DS I had to fill in a booklet that took hours, photocopy all resports and then they wrote to his paediatrician.

Surely you can't just lie?

Hey that leechblock thing is pretty cool.

'Surely you can't just lie?'

Yes you can, like any other benefits fraud. Play your symptoms for worse than they are. In many cases people who were disabled at the time of applying 'forget' to tell the authorities when they recover enough not to need the money any more. Its still fraud.

DLA is harder to get on, but when you get there its allll gravy.