TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

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That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

We must not attack each other personally. Unless Cam or Clugg comes on

god here we go again silly woman no one said others dont have problems this if you had not noticed nijinsky is a thread about disabled people der not private school fees and redundancy and as you seems to constantly forget a lot of people do get DLA and still work your so vindictive its childish and very cold hearted..you think that does you sevice

oh well i had better be off i need to push dh to tesco whilst i hold 20 bags of groceries and try to hold on to a wriggling 11yo with a mental age of 4 who has no road sense and darts here and there and then when i get to the supermarket probably meet nijinsky who will give me dirty looks why i cant keep my dc quiet and under control when he has a meltdown because of the amount of people and noise he cant cope with because he has a lot of sensory issues tut its all ME ME ME i a terrible person arnt i so selfish

Lesley33 your post at 23:54 is very eloquent and to the point. How do you distinguish between two people with the same disability and one pushes themselves to go out and work and the other sits back and demands their entitlement?

Erm, because people with the same disability don't necessarily suffer in the same way, as Lesley herself acknowledged. That's why a young woman with exactly the same diagnosis with me, made at the same time died yesterday, yet I'm still here. Amazing isn't it! You seem to assume it's just about making an effort, because you like to think the worst of people.

I actually find the demanding, entitled attitude does little for those who hold it. Neither does the attitude that no-one else faces difficulty in life other than those in receipt of disability benefits. People are willing to help those who help themselves. Constant demands and claims for entitlement and ramming down people's throats how needy you are eventually pisses people off. Claiming average people are evil when all they do is go out to work, pay their dues and live a good life because they don't want to give even more money to you, is duplicitous

The clue is in the name nijinsky, disability benefit. Just as we have pension credits, jobseekers allowance, child tax credits. There are benefits available for people struggling for reasons other than disability, just they're called something different. Genius, isn't it.

And for what it's worth, I've paid my dues, my husband has paid his dues, I won't be getting a state pension, so you can save yourself a few pence there.

smile - It sounds as if your DS is in a horrendous situation. Sorry to hear that you are both having such a hard time. I know you shouldn't have to, but would one of the charities that support veterans pay for a much higher quality prothesis? Although I know your DS will still have a really hard time it may help a bit.

If thats all your arguement consists of - putting offensive words in people's mouths that they didn't actually say, repeating on and on ad infinitum how hard done by your are and what problems you suffer, and continually ramming down your throats how great your need is - it actually convinces me less and less of what you are trying to claim. And lets not forget the mocking of people with the same conditions, who get on with leading as normal a life as possible. That was actually quite sick when you mocked the insulin dependent diabetic athletes I mentioned.

Some of the things written on this thread and attitudes displayed towards medical problems are truly disgusting, and they haven't been written by me.

I agree with Lesley33 who says that if you do not meet the changed criteria for claims, then you do not have a valid claim. There is not a limitless pot. Everyone is suffering in the recession.

Another personal example, which I know you don't like, as it weakens your arguement. Paula Radcliffe, marathon world record holder, as well as being ashtmatic now has problems relating from a back fracture and torn disc during pregnancy causing sciatic like nerve symptoms and a lack of power in one leg. She is still training for the Olympics. Someone I know well (I wouldn't call her a friend because she is the most selfish person I know and I've distanced myself from her constant demands), is on DLA and claims she cannot work at all for exactly the same problem. Differing degrees - well, nerve pain is impossible to disprove. All I can say is that it doesn't stop her competing not one but two three day eventers at affiliated level virtually every weekend, possibly the most exhausting, physically demanding horse sport you can do.

You are not seriously telling me that someone who can walk a 3 mile cross country course 3 times, do a dressage test, showjump a course, ride a cross country course on two different horses, drive there, look after said horses during the event, should be on DLA? Yet the way the system is at present, although virtually everyone I speak to says she is an example of someone who shouldn't be claiming, she gets away with it.

If the changes exclude people like her from DLA, then I cannot see how any person genuinely in need could possibly object.

If ever there was evidence that there is no such thing as Karma....

Sorry just to say when you said I said a "bit of phantom pain" - what I actually said was "I know a bit about phantom pain" i.e. not that the phantom pain was small, but that I have a small bit of knowledge about phantom pain.

If ever there was evidence that there is no such thing as Karma....

Nice.

smileandwave god here we go again silly woman no one said others dont have problems this if you had not noticed nijinsky is a thread about disabled people der not private school fees and redundancy

I haven't once mentioned private school fees? Perhaps you have me confused with another poster? Perhaps you think everyone who is not in receipt of DLA only has private school fees to concern themselves with? Do you even appreciate the reality of the average family struggling to get by without any help from the State? You seriously think all they have to worry about is private school fees? God help us.

The thread is not about disabled people by the way. Its about a fear that disabled people might be labelled as scroungers. Not my words, not my title (before I yet again have words I have never said put into my mouth for me).

Nijinsjy - I do understand the point you make i.e. that some people will struggle on when someone else in exactly the same position will not. It is really difficult though to compare between 2 people though as the severity of symptoms can differ tremendously.

It also depends on whether you get the right treatment. I get horrendous nerve pain. With the help of the local pain clinic though my pain is now, most of the time, very low. Before I got the correct treatment I was still going to work, but I don't know how I didn't get fired as I was really not up to being in work. But I have met one person who had nerve pain for years and years and had only been told to take paracetomel.

The private school fees was another poster.

"putting offensive words in people's mouths that they didn't actually say,"

And that, nijinsky, is what you have spent this entire thread doing. You would save yourself a lot of grief if you stopped creating straw men and then getting in a froth about them.

Lesley33 I know what you are saying. Nerve pain is one of those ones impossible to disprove under the present criteria. But there is no way that you need help managing day to day, and can event two horses at affiliated level. Do you know the size of these horses and the sheer power they generate? There is a reason that most para riders concentrate on dressage. 3 day eventing is something else entirely. She also claims this prevents her doing any work?

I have to say that some of the comments on here from the disabled people about people's relatives who have cancer and being rude about insulin dependent diabetic athletes, just because they do not claim DLA, are just about some of the most offensive things I have ever read.

oh dear should have hidden this thread,I can't believe it is now about athletes who can sill do their sport with a disability/illness.
some people just need shaking.
most of the people I know that are disabled will never walk, let alone run.

Actually, there are plenty of people suffering from disability who can walk. What a crass comment to make.

And no one has mocked your insulin dependent athletic friend. Certainly not me. I am genuinely delighted that it impacts her life so little at them moment.

Long, long may that continue.

And long, long may you feel her worthy of your admiration because she is not seriously debilitated. How are you planning to feel about her if, god forbid, she suffers complications and has organ damage, amputation or blindness? Will needing someone to help prepare food or to travel then be a sign of moral failing?

I hope to god she never does have this, by the way, but it's a possibility.

Nijinsky - Yes nerve pain is impossible to disprove and the only way it is measured is through a self scoring system. And obviously some people will exaggerate, although not necessarily on purpose.

For example, I have seen a man in the pain clinic self score at the very highest point of the scale (which is supposed to be the worst pain you can imagine) although he was sitting down talking to someone. If his pain really was at the highest level, he would be screaming/groaning and certainly not be able to sit having an extended conversation.

However, normally the Dr/Consultant would have no clue about the level of pain.

I don't know anything about eventing, but I'm happy to take your word about how physically tough it is.

nijinsky, why on earth would you think my Karma comment was directed at you?

And long, long may you feel her worthy of your admiration because she is not seriously debilitated. How are you planning to feel about her if, god forbid, she suffers complications and has organ damage, amputation or blindness? Will needing someone to help prepare food or to travel then be a sign of moral failing?

Err, what do you think I would feel? I would feel glad for her that she has had as much of a normal life as she was physically capable of at the time, and proud of her for doing what she did, while many able bodied people do far less. And by taking exercise and controlling her diet, she is taking the best possible steps to prevent that. Although I must say she does not go about life with a negative mindset of what might go wrong in the future, and would be utterly mortified and hurt to know that anyone could ask such a question about her. Really, really offended she would be.

And I do know how difficult it is for her, although she does not make a fuss about it. She does not consider herself disabled btw. She has insulin dependent diabetes. She has faced a lifetime argueing against being categorised as disabled.

But yes, there were at least two mocking posts on here about the insulin dependent diabetic athletes I mentioned. Very distasteful. Vile in fact.

Lesley33 Nijinsky - Yes nerve pain is impossible to disprove and the only way it is measured is through a self scoring system. And obviously some people will exaggerate, although not necessarily on purpose

Yes, well she is aware she is under investigation, and I suspect that is one fo the reasons she has got herself classified as a para rider (at one of the lower levels). But I am not aware of any para riders that do 3 day eventing, its mainly dressage with a bit of lower level showjumping. And all her competing is against the able bodied. But yes, she is in trouble, she is being investigated. To me, she has found a way of doing eventing full time and being funded (this also involves a retirement on medical grounds and pension from the public sector).

What sort of DLA does your eventing friend get, btw? Personal care or mobility? Higher or lower rates?

It does sound unusual. There's always the possibility she's committing straight fraud - as discussed earlier, there'll always be some who do. If you know that she is lying to the DWP, you'd be well within your rights to dob her in.

If you simply don't understand her medical/capacity situation, or don't understand what DLA's for (and you've hardly shown yourself willing to learn), then you're on thinner ice.

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