TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

No, OldMac, it is the sweat of ordinary working men and women (disabled or not) who work for shitty wages who fund the taxes which pay the benefits.

Most of them do it willingly too, happy to pay their fair share, unlike, say Vodafone....

Countries with a more socialist outlook than ours, where everyone pays higher taxes, have better public services, happier populations, better education etc.

Apparently it wasn't the banks, it was the 'socialists'. Thanks, Oldmac. Must have missed that edition of Newsnight.

yes wubbly
that explains the vast numbers of wheelchairs found in the Cambrian archeological excavations, or in sub saharan Africa today.

Its all to do with wealth - not sweat

Wubbly - have you read 'The Spirit Level'?

OldMac - I know it will upset you, but where does wealth come from? Heard of the labour theory of value?

No, I shall google it Alice, thank you.

Sorry OldMac, no idea what you're talking about. I'm a bit thick since chemo.

nijinsky are you assuming I dont work? my OH doesnt work? We are not struggling to find money for mortgage etc.

My OH and myself are BOTH facing redundancy because we work in the public sector.

I admit we dont have the dreadful stress of finding school fees (WTAF?)

I would swop that stress for the one of waiting for my sons transport to school being cut and wondering how i am going to get him to school at the same time as his brother without the help of a time machine.

I am assuming you can read fairly well because you have been on this thread for ages. So how come you keeping missing the point so spectactularly?

People with disabilities DO work AND pay taxes.
There was NEVER a time when people with disabilities and carers had a good life without assistance. They lived and died in poverty or lived and died in institutions like workhouses and asylums.

Are you seriously trying to compare the plight of millions of people facing living below the breadline with a highly paid worker having to take his child out of a private school?

really?

alice - in the olden days, wealth came from the land and from labour(sweat)
but we dont live in the olden days any more
nowadays we have cheap energy, industrialisation and an extremely abstract economy.
I dont mind people putting their hands out, I will be old and weak myself one day, but please, dont misunderstand where all the largesse comes from

Do you not use any public services nijinsky?

Any at all? ever?

Because if you have I have been subsidising them for the last 27 years.

So no NHS, child benefit paid to your parents, no free milk at school, no school, no dental treatment, no roads, no bin collections, no police......

Where on earth do you live? Your own private island?

So all the indutrialised machines grow on trees? Who makes them? Who makes the conveyor belts? Same answer eventually, human labour. Those same humans get their arms broken in the machines sometimes.

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ok ive an idea sorts everything out ill swap places with nijinsky she can clean up after my family on almost nil funds walk to the shops 5 miles pushing my DH and caring for my disabled son walking 3 miles to my sons special school everyday (the special schools the government also is trying to close btw) my sons problems are to severe for mainstream school so nijinsky can educate him at home whilst working a 10 hour job wow she really is superwoman im in awe taking my ds and dh 3 times a week to the hospital and my ds to his therapys all walking as ive no extra money for public transport ive holes in my knickers and thats not a lie and my teenage daughter has been walking around with a hole in her shoe for two weeks now so hope it doesnt rain on her 2.5 mile walk to school shes healthy she will be okay if the 50% off their sentence plea bargin early rapist doesnt get her on the two alleyways she has to go through and the underpass but i think nijinskys fit she wont mind staying up all night with my ds who cant sleep and has not been given melatonin as my gp says hes not allowed to cost cutting you see so when my ds gets out of bed as hes wide awake constantly nijinsky will be happy to sit with him while he hums all night and fidgets and sometimes cries out and shouts waking everyone else up you have to watch him as he has self harmed before because hes so unhappy he didnt want to be born autistic and knows hes different to other people and had self worth issues you will do that for me wont you as ive never yet had any respite and being as you say its no more difficult probably easier than your usual jonb you can change an 11 yo pull up help him dress and force him as he has sensory issues to keep clothes on and brush his teeth for him and then dress my husband make beds cook clean shop walk apparently everywhere and do not ever go out with friends or familyas you wont have funds for such frivolities you can litterally wipe a grown man and a boy of 11s bottom cant you? and watch over my dc as he has issues with food only eats a couple things and cooked a certain way its a piece of piss what the F* am i moaning about

I think income tax should be lowered, ideally to a flat rate, but on tax returns there should be an option to pay an extra 5,10,20% on top for those who claim to not mind paying higher taxes.

look alice, it used to be like that. but it isnt nowadays , at least not around here anyway.
Would you really want to be disabled in sub-saharan africa, India or China ?

i dont think so. It's bad enough here - In a rich country, in a rich time

so lets get the economy back on track, lets get even richer, lets get everyone better off

Dont be silly smile. Njinsky knows some disabled people who 1, have shared their financial dsoings with her and 2, keep up sport. That means the rest of us quadriplegics, autistics etc etc are lazy feckers who dont make an effort. In fact. I think i will go tip my dd out of her chair and tell her to make her own damn dinner.
I wish all i had to worry about was paying school fees.

How is the economy going to get on track with cuts, redundancies (half a mill public sector workers) and lack of investment?

How is the economy going to get on track with cuts, redundancies (half a mill public sector workers) and lack of investment?

well, I dont have the answer to that rivinside. all I do know is that I thank heavens every day that I live in this place at this time.

I know that the system mostly works, despite the socialists (not because of them)

and zero effort to stimulate the economy?

Would you thank heavens that you live here if you were being stripped of your basic dignity whilst the government spends money warmongering and permitting blatant tax evasion from big business?

well, I havnt had my basic dignity stripped, so I apologise for not answering that point (humbly)

I support the country having a strong military, and the tax status of big business is a part of the complex abstract economy that we live in. I dont understand the complexities of the legal/global implications , do you ?

The warmongering by the way also relates to the previous government. We were involved in some really disagreeable conflicts that haemorrhaged money from the economy that partly contributed to the current financial state.

Yes we need to be able to defend ourselves militarily. Giving big business tax breaks still is unacceptable to me. I still maintain that there are areas that could have been cut before services to the elderly and the disabled.

we dont have a strong military in the uk they have /are making sure of that they are getting rid of servicemen equipment selling our ships planes still building new ones we probably wont be able to aford to run so may be moth balled before they see the light of day abstract is a good word to discribe britain so is hypocritical unfortunately nijinsky stopped ? she never explained how if these benefits are taken away from my disabled ex serviceman husband and autistic son wonder why? i do so hope in that case she either lends me her services so i can go back to work which i greatly miss and/or they re open workhouses because atm i cant see HOW im supposed to get by were already on the breadline with no assistance its scary

Well smile, it's only going to get worse and we should be grateful, apparently.

yes and to make matters worse my husband gets injured in one of these disagreable conflicks and now people want to throw him on the scrapheap as he does not atm give anything to society... i personally thinks hes paid that price already with his limbs health and dignity totally gone he was happy to give his life for his country and i was proud now im finding all this disgraceful and humiliating ( please excuse spellings ) when he signed his joining up papers he knew he what the consequenses were what could happen but that was before i met him , i love him of course but IM the one left with this not the government not the earlier poster who thinks well came across in her posts we should be pref NOT seen and NOT heard we should get on with it without complaining she said i was selfish i spend my life caring for 2 disabled people and two teens and previously an elderly sick/disabled mother i have holes in my knickers and because i dont feel sorry for her friend who struggles to pay his childs private school fees IM SELFISH ok giulty as charged then

glitter, the wars that the last socialist govt got us involved in were a cost, thats true, but the real problem was that they spent money they didnt have.
They pumped up private sector wages and claimed they had ended boom and bust.
a wise government will try to smooth out boom and bust (the economic cycle) not deny it.

now we are paying the price. im am truly sorry that means a cut to the services you hold dear