TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

People with disabilities are allowed to have children nowdays.
Disabled children are allowed to come home and live with their families.

We could go back to when disabled women were sterilized and disabled children were left in hosptial to die or shoved into long stay hospitals to live out their lives.

Ahhh the good old days.

weirdly and scarily i migh add you ask that not all disabilities are genetic your saying disabled people should not pro create now ummm the guy who invaded ploand AGAIN springs to mind disability is not always genetic also people who are disabled your saying shouldnt have kids there not entitled to that now , there not entitled to warmth food clothes care heath provision a social life (what a social life) i cared for my 3 dcs one disabled my dh disabled and my mother untill she died i didnt stick her in a home i did manage they do that provide for themselves and take care of an elderly mum or dad because they have to because they would have to sell there homes to pay for care otherwise its not free. ive no option except the one youve avoided answering put my son in a home

There is no more disability than there ever was. It is a myth that you keep repeating.

Of course, things have changed in the last 50 years.

We are better at recognising and treating mental illness now, in the community rather than in institutions.

People who would have died due to their disabilities now live longer with the aid of medical intervention.

People are living longer generally, so the rise of dementia and other elderly related disabilities.

Cancer is diagnosed earlier now, so people are living with it for longer.

As for genetics, well are really only beginning to learn the importance of our genes, in terms of all kinds of conditions.

I know, but if everyone who had a sick relative gave up work to care for them, then that would be everyone whose parents didn't die young or immediately. It doesn't make sense. And what do disabled people who are single do? I hear what you say in that it saves money in the long term, but in all but the most extreme cases, does it really? It takes people out of the workplace and makes it difficult for them to return. And all this thread is full of how little people on disability benefits have, how awful their struggle is to manage on them, etc..

If you want I can tell you how I ended up with a disabled OH and son and how I aquired some issues of my own.

My OH got MS.
My DD got cancer
My DD died
I found this, added to caring for her for 2 years had a deterimental affect on my mental health.
DS came to us via SS who asked us to care for him. He turned out to be disabled.

Thats what happened to us.

HTH

Wubbly, you're right, I defend scrounging in all its myriad forms. I was able to use my wheelchairs and walking sticks in a bit of street theatre on Sat. when I was the embattled NHS attacked by Cameron & defended by No Cuts placards. We were outside a bank. Why a bank? I hear you ask. Well, because the govt bailed out the banks (yes, the same ones thatbegan the slide last sep/Oct) which is where all the money went. Remember? It was on the news? (cf Ireland, Greece, etc etc) Like theysay in AlAnon - I didn't cause it, I can't control it, I can't cure it. Their crisis. Their cash. Their problem.

smileandwave again, please do not put words in my mouth, particularly when they are offensive.

"take care of an elderly mum or dad because they have to because they would have to sell there homes to pay for care otherwise its not free. ive no option except the one youve avoided answering put my son in a home"

Leaving dependent children out of this, loads of peoples' parents have had to sell their homes to fund their care! And tbh the property market is so price inflated, half the reason for it is because people have massive deposits from selling their parents's homes once they have passed away.

But if your parents are no longer able to live in their home, and do need care, why should they not sell their home? The only possible beneficiaries are their children, by way of inheritance, if they can no longer live in it. Which kind of goes against all arguements of equality.

You dont make any sense.
You are desperately scrabbling around for a way to justify your views.

You keep showing how little you know about disabilities. Historically and in a modern context.

Its really not up to us to educate you. There is world of information out there. There is an excellent course available from the Open University on diversity. It would fill an awful lot of those gaps in your knowledge.

I recommend it.

Thank you mrsdevere

And mrsdevere likewise you probably don't empathise or have any sympathy with the stresses of a financial worker supporting his family, paying school fees, facing redundancy and so on. You are no less or no more a human being than such a person.

I suppose my DH could continue to work full time, it would be our ideal really. The problem is, who would care for DS?

I suppose I could always put DS up for adoption. I guess that would be the decent thing to do. Then, so long as I can persuade a few others to join me with doing myself in, we could save you a few pence in your pay packet nijinsky.

paying school fees? No, not a lot of sympathy really. There's always state education.

Only if you're really struggling of course, on the breadline and that.

tbh you probably think everyone else out there has really easy lives. Do you know what it is like to try to hang onto a job in your fifties when your employer would rather replace you with someone younger? Or to fight back from redundancy multiple times? Or to commute for 4 1/2 hours each day and put in a 10 hour working day? Or to be so pressurised in a difficult job that suicide seems an option?

These are probably the people you are decrying as "the rich" when in fact the truth is that they are most likely simply in the middle, trying to live as nice a life as they can. Just because they do not give all of their money to you does not mean they are bad people. Most people wave goodbye to nearly half their salaries in tax every month, which is perhaps why some of them feel irked at what they percieve to be unfair claiming of disability payments. Everyone faces their own struggles.

no lets NOT leave my son as this is about people like him were talking about how have i been offensive your being offensive to say leave dependans out of this??!!! people have to sell their homes to pay for health care you brought it up so i answerd your not telling me how i shall aford to care for my family without assistance??? so working paying tax ect all your life paying into the nhs and you think when you need healthcare relatives should take there parents into their home for free (how to aford feeding an extra relatibe?) room or not and be in two places at once so dont claim anything go to work AND be in the home caring for them 24/7 (im unsure how this is possible) and if not selll there hard earned home to pay twice ofr the same healthcare throw away what youve saved and worked for all your life and give it all to you and david cameron because you shouldnt have to fork out for it

Actually no when I was a taxpayer I did not begrudge those taxes.
Those who plead poverty when paying for things which are optional in this country (ie private education & healthcare) are of course going to be derided. You've already paid for state provision in your taxes so if you're going to pay twice then on your head be it.

You're not giving any money to me! But yes, I don't see why people should not have to sell their homes to pay for health care, when the only beneficiaries of them not doing so (ie if they themselves are not going to return home) would be their children or relatives in an inheritance.

Why go so far towards equality in so many areas of life and not in others?

If you want to care for a relative in old age/ill health, and have the resources to do so, then great, but don't do it simply because you want to inherit their house! There are more important things than money.

I don't think people begrudge taxes Glitter when they have enough money to live on themselves and feel like they are getting a reasonably nice life in return. But in the last few years, no-one seems to have any money. When you are getting people saying things like they don't know if they can afford the fuel to get to work, you know things have to change.

But how can someone who is disabled themselves end up with disabled children and disabled relatives they have to care for, which traps them into poverty, and it doesn't seem to affect other people? When there is no genetic physical linked disease or illness? What have people been doing for years in caring for elderly relatives but still managing to provide for themselves which is so different now that it traps them in poverty and leaves them with no options and feeling hopeless?'

I have ms. My dd was brain damaged at birth. Its just unfortunate. Carers have been trapped in poverty for years. Its just not been noticed till recently. My mum is getting old and will need care too.
It happens. If only one of us was disabled dh would be able to work full time.

We did not cause the recession. Banks did. And part of the blame is shitty healthcare in the US which meant people couldnt pay their mortgages and so lost. Their houses. Its all linked but disabled people didnt start this. Yet we are being penalised. Make vodaphone pay their damn tax bill then the cuts to dla, respite centres, day care etc wouldnt be needed.

aww my heart bleeds for you struggling to keep your job we have worked before nijinsky lol im in my 50s too i didnt get to 16 and walk into the dole office ummm no i really cant say i worry about the middle upper classes facing redundancy except for the way it makes a person feel oh a bit like my husband feels on the scrap heap do they feel unwanted shunned by society ring a bell??? well im so glad the middle classes are trying to live as nice a life as possible cos they rearned that right didnt they ive and my husband the ex serviceman obviously deserve in your world naff all. my neighbour when i told her and shes as i said middle class on £200.000 a year didnt have a clue what ASD was and said is that a disease rather hard when im about to have my benefit cut or taken away probably from what ive read hard to feel sorry for her when 4 times a year she asks me to watch her house for her and gives me the keys i do it gladly i like to be a good neighbour but perhaps she does it cos she knows im never going anywhere im here morning noon and night

nijinsky you are very welcome to swap your difficult life for mine any time. Think you would run screaming back to yours straight away! Many disabled people have very similar problems to those you have listed (redundancy, job pressure), with disability in addition!

Why do you assume that disabled people don't work as well? My DH is disabled, my DS1 is disabled, I am chronically ill and still try to work. I have similar issues to those in your first paragraph - although not the school fees you mentioned in a previous post as we don't earn enough money between us to pay for private education and never will.

Don't act so obtuse. No-one is asking for "all of your money"! Just something from our rich country to help with things that are no fault of their own. Did my DH ask to get such a bad back that he can no longer work? Did my DS1 ask to be born with learning difficulties and ASD? No they did not. DH worked for 25 years and paid taxes before he became too ill to work. DS1 will probably never work because no-one will give him a job - not because he is too lazy. I drag myself into work every day because, despite my chronic illness, I am the only breadwinner in the family.

I hope you and your family never have to suffer sudden disability and then you would really understand what people are talking about. Redundancy? Job pressure? Don't make me laugh - just try and live with a seriously disabled partner or child, then you will really know what pressure and stress are. I have thought of suicide hundreds of times - but I will never do it because people depend on me. You make me so angry that I am not being coherent. So I will stop.

i didnt ssy they dod it to inherit but i think when i had children i had hoped my home would be split between them one day as i cant aford to put money asivde for them monthly and thet it would go some way and i know every parent usually feels like this some way as to making their life not quite so hard one day or my grandchildren

no. banks, telecomms and the western way created the wealth that allows the poor and the weak to be supported in the first place.
ok there has been a wobble (caused by the socialists overspending), but lets make cuts
get things back on an even keel
then we can get back to normality, then progress

"Maybe its just that some people feel that the attitude of entitlement and "me, me, me, I want, I need, therefore I must get" has gone too far"

what a load of bollocks. do you ever spend time with people who are actually disabled? do you have a child like mine that will never ever fucking walk/talk thanks to a cock up?
leaves thread as cannot stand the sick people who [post utter vile crap like that.
) just be careful it doesn't happen to you

but you want the government to ytake MY car away nijinsky so not paying for fuel will be one less burden i have when im trying to hold onto my son who is autistic and has no road sense and push my husbands wheelchair at same time along with tons of shopping from tesco 5 miles from my home phew hope i can push him that far walk around the huge mega store and then hike 5 miles back anyone got any baked beans i might need the extra fart power

If you are jealous of the money would you take it and with it the terminal illness that another poster on this thread has?