TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

yes we had that done to our car parked right outside keyed all down the side, i shouldnt have left my DH blue badge he doesnt deserve although he fought for his country in the window asking for it wernt we nijinsky, im not happy with my piddly dla now glitter id like a wage as were saving them so much lol ... this is not desposable income nijinsky its a lifeline but if its taken away means i may not in RL not in idealism but RL may not be able to keep my family together any more ... were all in this together ??? are you sure about that

No amount of money in the world will give my children a level playing field with their peers. A little money will enable them to not become institutionalised, to become educated to the best of their ability and hopefully one day get almost every member of this family back into the workplace.

It's invest now or invest later. Without education and healthcare lifelong benefits dependency may occur and I don't want that.

As a supposedly first world civilised society the UK has put into place provision to attempt equal opportunity for all. It didn't quite do that but to suggest we go backwards because other nations don't provide the same?

Or other countries are doing it a better way and the UK is out on a limb? So many people seem to be miserable in the UK and want to or be actively leaving!

Re pensions - you cannot deny these are the subject of mass reform. Why should other areas not be reformed?

I'd suggest aiming reform at the areas of the welfare state that are already proving to not be working before those that are vital lifelines to those who cannot manage without them.

nijinsky, you talk about lack of empathy? Ho, ho, ho, the irony!

Anyway, I'm all empathy me, pray share these tales of woe, of these folk struggling 'in a different way'.

But there are not endless funds. While it would be great and a fabulous society to live in where everything everyone genuinely needed was funded without objection, its not realistic. e.g. if there were no waiting lists in the NHS and no-one was denied treatment. Instead the more expensive options are denied unless proven and treatment is nearly always available to those who really need it, although we might complain about it.

You cannot just continue to throw money at things without any consideration of those who are providing the money, or where it is going to keep coming from. There has to be a cut off point somewhere surely? Yes, and its not nice to talk about this when people's lives are involved, but its necessary to ensure there is enough for everyone.

Alice, yes, we really ought to all do the decent thing. Just imagine how much spare cash there would be swilling about if we didn't have to pay for those bastards who get themselves cancer, or bring economical inactive beings into the world.

Jeez, the state could give all those actually 'contributing' a mercedes with the savings, I'm sure. It's about time we stopped being so selfish, I can see that now.

What you're objecting to nijinsky is that people are demanding the basics of life as a right, not humble begging as supplicants.

But that's what being equal citizens in this country means.

I shouldn't have to humbly beg to get the police to investigate if I'm robbed or raped, humbly beg the firemen to come save my house, humbly beg the town council to repair street lights.

It doesn't mean I'm not grateful when they do.

And in fact when I arrived back in the UK after years working abroad I was profoundly, profoundly grateful to be back in a country which had a National Insurance system into which I could gladly (I really mean it) pay, never for a moment expecting I would need to call upon it.

I also have no expectation of continuing to receive anything, for reasons to do with health and my personal circumstances, and put myself through the considerable effort of even engaging with people like you purely for the benefit of others. A country which does not look after the most vulnerable is not a country I wish to live in, and since this is my place of birth I'd damn well better fight to make it somewhere I can be proud of.

Anyway, I'm all empathy me, pray share these tales of woe, of these folk struggling 'in a different way'.

I'm pointing out that there are many families on the breadline, many people struggling to get by, working all the hours that god sends, not having a very nice time, yes, there really are other people that struggle other than only you.

Are you really so much caught up in your own world that you think no-one else struggles to get by? How selfish!

if i could aford to leave i deffinately would regardless of how lucky you think we are as your not in our position youve no idea what its like remember walk a mile in another mans shoes...youd run off with them wouldnt you and give them to david cameron.. no other country is doing it better there massaging statistics to make people easily influenced by ideals and pie in the sky pretentious poo . pensions i unlike you dont know enough about so i wont comment as i said earlier one should comment on what one knows i have personal beliefs about the pensions and reforms but no actual statistical info to back claims up but you dont have either about disability just ones that have been branded about so people like you can feel ok about making the sick and disabled suffer more

meant to add a to that, just in case Nijinsky thought I'd seen the light and come round to her way of thinking.

there you did it again you mention basically you or words to the effect dont mind as long as your not footing the tax bill lol

And in fact when I arrived back in the UK after years working abroad I was profoundly, profoundly grateful to be back in a country which had a National Insurance system into which I could gladly (I really mean it) pay, never for a moment expecting I would need to call upon it.

And no doubt you continued to pay National Insurance contributions and tax here while working abroad, and didin't just return to use the services when you needed them?

Personally, I think denying people life saving treatment and making people in agony wait on lengthy waiting lists is untenable, and for that reason I'd be in favour of privitisation, but not wholeheartedly, as a private system might be worse, and the NHS does work.

Oh nijinsky, on the breadline? We've lived on the fucking breadline all our lives pet, doesn't come close to living with fucking cancer believe me. Surely you know that?

As it happens, if you knew anything about any of the people who are posting on here against these cuts, they're the same people posting against cuts against the poorest members of society in other areas.

You, on the otherhand, seem all in favour of cuts, or maybe just cuts that don't affect you? Talk about fucking selfish.

there are many families on the breadline yep and im one of those PLUS ive a disabled son and disabled husband who fought for YOU and two teenagers and were on the breadline and you resent paying me any money to care for them as its out of your pocket these poor folk you mention pray tell how are they less fortunate than someone in the same position but ALSO disabled

Completely unrealistic wubblybubbly. I am affected directly by cuts in the NHS and pensions to name but two. Are you suggesting that anyone who is not in receipt of disability benefits should not have an opinon on the subject?

The only way of balancing the books ie to continue increasing spending on public services, would be to take more money off people to pay for it. And most evidence suggests that a critical point is reached in trying to do so - the rich move offshore or avoid tax, and the poor but unentitled and the people in the middle become disenfranchised and clamour for reform. Endlessly squeezing more and more money out of the same purse just doesn't work.

Yep, SmileandWave both my grandfathers fought for you. And your point is?

you still dont answer throughout this what do you you personally want me to do with my DS and DH shall i run off to spain with my neighbour with his cold weather payment and put them in care homes what??

What do people in other Northern European countries do? Where there is not so much state help? It must be possible. And since the current system here seems to inflict so much misery and poverty, maybe its a better way?

Utter shite nijinsky, but you've obviously bought the whole lot, hook, line and sinker.

£2.5 billion is what these cuts to DLA will save. If vodafone alone had paid their full tax bill, problem sorted. Let's not pretend that this is anything other than ideological.

Have any opinion and express it anyway you like, I really don't care, but don't expect to be lauded for your offensive, ill informed offerings.

pmsl your grandfathers we all had those whats that to do with it ? my husband lost his job his life his respect from you thats my point he used to be very athletic and do marathons be in a hocky club play golf ride a bike swim he is disabled now my point it you are being disrespectful to him and all the servicemen so its ok they cut all help for my husband its ok my friends got cancer and is now not recieving any help its ok if i put my son in a home im so glad you can see no point i wouldnt want you to feel bad over there in your ivory tower

you still dont answer what do they do they throw these useless society members away honey thats what they do???? i already look after them with no thanks from anyone but how do you , you personally propose i feed and clothe them and keep them warm and how do i get them around without a vehicle??? enlighten us

Can anyone explain to me why there is so much disability that afflicts certain people's lives? Obviously smileandwaves husband was injured in a war. I know this is really crass and its actually not meant as crass, although you won't believe me. But how can someone who is disabled themselves end up with disabled children and disabled relatives they have to care for, which traps them into poverty, and it doesn't seem to affect other people? When there is no genetic physical linked disease or illness? What have people been doing for years in caring for elderly relatives but still managing to provide for themselves which is so different now that it traps them in poverty and leaves them with no options and feeling hopeless?

When did people care for their relatives and NOT get trapped in poverty?

When did carers not feel hopeless then?

Was it when people didnt even know they existed and when they were tucked away and left to get on with it?

You seem to base your opinions on some mythical golden age and an internet sight that backs up all your prejudices.

Those who envy us our motability car..... the money.... I propose a swap.
I'll give you the car and the money if you take the disabilities.

So not being able to use the toilet, to wash or dress yourself so in a nutshell your dignity and ability to keep themselves safe and well. Your ability to walk without pain and fatigue.

Anyone who would rather have a car or a few quid than the ability to be continent or move around freely deserves sympathy.