TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

and patronising?

Well, the reforms are going to happen. Why live in the past, why not embrace them and hope that they will improve matters? Why have such a negative attitude?

What if they are successful reforms and indeed target help more effectively when it is needed most? Why so against them?

Because we're living it. We're seeing first hand how they're not going to work.

jeez, I am going to have to go for a lie down, having discovered that the 3 of us aren't the only folk the country dealing with disabilities.

Thank you for the education nijinsky. I truly am sarcastic grateful.

The fact that for you, having a particular diet and injecting insulin constitutes a difficult life worthy of admiration says it all really.

I'm glad for your friends' that their illnesses are so easily managed, and at the moment have such a slight impact on their day to day lives.

But we have to abide by the rules of the country we live in. The UK is unusual that it provides more help to more disabled people than any country in the world, with the exception of Finland. If the country is saying cuts have to be made, then we all have to bare them. Obviously no-one wants to cut services for those most in need and who cannot do without. But all areas are subject to cuts. The NHS, for example. Its unrealistic to expect treatment for all sorts of ailments on the NHS on demand for example. Its not realistic to expect everyone's needs to be met all the time from diminishing resources.

Or do you expect the UK to continue the way it is until it has to beg for a bail out to the IMF and then spend the next 50 years repaying the interest? Oh no, I forgot. You want old people to do without their cold weather allowance.

friends' friends

All areas are subject to cuts.
So those who have higher needs in more than one area get to bear the brunt of more cuts than anyone else.
Hardly 'in this together' is it?

sorry asthma can be very debilitating so dont want to offend anyone blindness deafness too but were talking serious BIG disabilities here too and these people like my autistic son my husband will never be able to look after themselves funny how you never answered this ... no one says asthma as it can be life threatening but this person you know is obviously in controll of it insulin working well lucky for them theres plenty of people with serious illnesses darlin that CANT be looked after so easily with a few pills or and injection like the ones weve already discribed yet you fail to or avoid answering about cancer and autism and other extreme cases and there are hundreds of thousands of them or soon will be where NO ONE takes any responsibiliy id like an answer what does she expect us to do ,,, this is the bottom like id like her to tell me as i dont know shall i ring social services and give my son up and desert my husband and forget him make him someone elses problem what??
NOW you say you had a mother with cancer and she didnt claim she struggled on working you never said before and you stood by and watched and ... you want a medal for her i gather because you say she didnt get help from the government or you or anyone in your family well shame on you all then

So it's about cuts, isn't it? Not about meeting genuine need. As you claimed above.

TIANC just look at it. Changing tack, endlessly throwing new stuff at us to justify an ideological position, cos God forbid that position woudn't be just downright WRONG would it?

Well, the reforms are going to happen. Why live in the past, why not embrace them and hope that they will improve matters? Why have such a negative attitude?

Maybe people have a negative attitude because they are stressed to the eyeballs at the thought of having to go through yet another intrusive and demeaning assessment of their disability? Knowing that, almost certainly, the person doing the assessment will have absolutely no proper medical background or knowledge of their disability? Then they will have to go through an even more stressful appeal and will be made to feel like scroungers in the process. Or, perhaps they have a negative attitude because they are relatives of people like my DS1 who has ASD and learning difficulties. He doesn't understand why he may lose his benefits and he cannot cope with the kinds of forms or questions he is asked. But he then comes home and sits banging his head against the wall, screaming that he is f*ing stupid - all night long.

Oh, no reason to have a negative attitude is there?

on demand you think only certain illness should get treatment sorry mrs jones your daughter needs these tablet shes dying but we cant give you the tablets to aid her take her pain away a bit maybe prolong her short life how selfish you ask just because finland there available but do you realise how very lucky you are and we must all bare the cuts Nijinsky is getting no help on her council tax we have to share the brunt of the cuts mrs jones now insitutionalise her and get back to work you lazy mare

Its not new stuff. Its exactly on the topic of the thread. Everyone in receipt of public services has needs. I don't think its tenable to say that because you say you have higher needs than another group, you should not be affected by cuts. What about the NHS? What about education?

smileandwave you are being deliberately offensive about my mother's death. She worked for as long as she was able, because she wanted to. Are you suggesting that everyone with sick parents must give up their jobs and become full time carers? So that will be potentially everyone in the country at some point or other. Doesn't make sense. And doesn't seem any more cost effective either, to be brutal, if it involves benefits and taking more people out of the workplace.

I know. I think you hit a nerve pointing out the jealousy (WTF?).

I've often thought this - it explains the bizarre keying of cars in disabled parking, too. There was some high street vox pop about disability benefits on telly other day, and some woman came out with the gem, "Lazy people, I'd like to sit on my backside all day too!" Oh to have wheeled slowly across behind her as she spoke...

are you blonde nijinsky sorry but we keep generalising i said old people with high income who are always nearly half the year in sunny climbs with great retirement funds, you see you obviously are getting alzheimer's but dont expect any help with that from the nhs or monetary help sell your house and go into a home you silly old biddy or should we bang on and say why does he get cold weather payments but disbled dont they feel the cold as much

So I won't mention again the quarter of a million pounds a year saving just for my family then? That's cost effective.

So I won't mention again the £119 billion that unpaid carers save this country. That's cost effective.

Nijinsky you have been diliberatley offensive sine you began posting on theis thread of but of course BIG difference your in the right oh and i shouldnt be offended my husband lost his life and limb for you yet you think hes a scrounger and should be thrown on the rubbish heap but hey NO OFFENCE

wubbly - re: topping ourselves; I'm sure you will share my admiration for those idiots brave activists who have fought for that 'right'. Odd they got so much sympathetic coverage unlike others whinging on about expensive medication. Of course, we know the good disabled people are either dead having lost the brave fight, or invisible uber-crips who achieve feats of athletic prowess. In fact, in some lights, they don't look Jewish crippled at all! Triumph over tragedy! By sheer willpower! As long as they don't go on about 'special' 'needs' and shit, the normals can tolerate the drooling and the unsightly stumps. Adolf may be gone but I trust his spirit will live on. First they came for the disabled, etc

Maybe there is some feeling of jealousy in this country towards people on disability benefits. Now my head will probably get bitten off by the entitled for saying so. But although personally it doesn't affect me (and I haven't even heard of the keying blue badged cars, never mind keying them myself), but do you never wonder why that is?

People don't mind helping those in need, but when you have people who are struggling to make ends meet, who get no help themselves, if you have the attitude towards them that you are entitled and they are not, some of them might get a little frank with you (I am thinking of the woman at the school of one of the above posters).

Maybe its just that some people feel that the attitude of entitlement and "me, me, me, I want, I need, therefore I must get" has gone too far.

If in other countries, people manage with slightly less help, maybe that is why some people feel like this?

dons hard hat for my temerity

The pensions argument is a valid one. The pensions bill vastly overshadows the DLA bill, yet all the talk is of increasing the basic state pension - that's regardless of need - whilst DLA is being cut by 20%.

Not everyone is equal, obviously.

As a supposedly first world civilised society the UK has put into place provision to attempt equal opportunity for all. It didn't quite do that but to suggest we go backwards because other nations don't provide the same?

Its just that the attitude on here is so entitled. Obviously I am on a hiding to nothing as your only interest is to continue to recieve what you are getting, or possibly more. But its interesting how you demand to be sympathised with, yet have no empathy or interest in other people who may struggle, but in a different way to yourselves.

psssst wubbly.... aren't pensioners amongst the highest proportion of voters?
Not brooking favour or anything you understand...

I don't have a sense of entitlement other than ensuring that my children get the healthcare they need to ensure they're not seriously ill, an education to hopefully get them into employment of some kind one day rather than being a lifelong benefits burden and the funds to enable me to facilitate both of the above!

We need money to live on to ensure our children get the best opportunities to be able to contribute later on in life. Unfortunatley we cannot live on fresh air.