to not care about immigration?

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So many people seem to have a huge problem with it and I really don't understand why.

The crazy thing is, I live in a hugely multicultural area and most of the people I know who have a problem with this, live in predominantly white suburbs.

We have a problem here with alcoholic homeless people fighting and screaming in the streets - none of them are immigrants.

carminaburana ..do fuck off

Is that it? Are you not going to reply to the last few posts with your counter arguments?

ccp, please could you explain what is wrong with Leicester, and why you believe people are heartbroken? Is it because there are too many brown people? Or is it because you don't actually know the city and you're therefore talking out of your arse?

carminaburana ...well I could always name change and agree with myself but thats not my style

Very soon Leicester is going to be the first city with white people as the minority .... that is worrying.

Why exactly is it worrying, cookcleaner? Too many brown people make you uncomfortable?

Ccc- was that a genuine question or a rather xenophobic insinuation that no one African state is more stable than another? It is hard to tell from within my bubble.

Maybe you should try it usualsuspect - you never know, you might get a half decent conversation going - at least you'd be on the same wavelength

Why should immigrants make up the majority of a British city..... what about the problems it creates - lack of school places, overcrowded trains and road networks, lack of housing, costs of benefits, lost tax I won't go on.

Why do you assume that all non-white people are immigrants?

Thistledew: sarcasm? why?

You seem to find it very difficult to acknowledge that there are some things associated with migration which are difficult and problematic for many people.

This failure of acknowledgement- for example, trying to turn a severe disconnect in civil values into a "positive" - is what turns people to extremism and extremist groups.

It is not hard to say: yes, there is a problem with a civil code which requires - say - honour killings and female subservience. This is a problem which needs to be dealt with. It is not a positive addition to our social structure.

Certainly it's not hard for many people. But you are preaching to people who agree with you. People who disagree with you will never listen if you insist on - for example - trying to convince people it's a good thing that acid attacks are on the rise in the UK because we are more likely to punish acid attackers.

What it means is that we have not sufficiently sought to insist and prevail that our own civil code - let alone our legal code - is the code that incomers must observe.

This is what happens in other countries, including developing countries. I know: I've done it. You fit in. If you don't like it, you leave. Anything else is colonialism and really, we don't want a return to those values.

This is very much becoming a debate about white versus non white and I think that is unbelievable in this decade. What the hell happened to take us back thirty, forty years.

Gooseberry, I agree, but for some, skin colour is still clearly an issue. I'd like to know why.

magic mummy - because the article I read said that immigrants would be the majority in Leicester and, believe it or not, our country is historically a "white" country.

Why do you assume that immigrants cause a net loss to our society?

thistle - you referred to "stable african countires". Can you not answer the question - which countries are you referring to? It is clearly a question.

when you challenged me about the Italian being granted the right to stay in this country rather than go back to Italy you said it was not true so I gave you the factual details of the case. Like the other time you questioned me and got it wrong. So please reciprocate the favour.

Immigrants or non-whites? First you said one, now it is another, so which is it? Please clarify. And please give a reference to the article.

I believe that historically this was a white country. I also believe that historically, people used to live in caves. Your point being?

Magic - I said Leicester would be a city of non whites as the minority, therefore ethic minorities, immigrants, would be the majority. Are you living in a cave now, which I assume you are as you can't understand things on this thread?

Thistledew: you seem to imply it is "all about money". I think that is very simplistic.

Do you have a problem with white immigrants? cookcleanerchaufferetc or just the non white ones?

Usual - what?

I have a problem with several issues in this country, and one resolution is to curb immigration.

I don't think anyone should take the white-nonwhite bait. That argument is over. It should be left in the past.

But then, I don't suppose anyone will take that advice!

You appear to be conflating non-whites and immigrants. They are not the same thing. Which one are you worried about?

Goose. My reply to you was not meant to be sarcastic. I genuinely do not see that it is a particularly attractive argument to say that we should refuse to share our resources with whole nations simply because some people from it do bad things. I do not want to see more acid attacks in the UK for the same reasons that I care that they happen in other countries.

Gooseberry, that argument is clearly alive and kicking!