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'We can't afford disabled people'- row with BIL, what next? AIBU to ditch him?

191 replies

SleepingOnTheJob · 14/05/2011 17:11

Some people will know this story as I have talked about it of board sorry. It's just bothering me and I have yet to decide what to do next.

Background: I have 4 children, all cocneived with a good job in family etc but whilst there still is empoyment DHs income hqs taken a big hit from redundancy and I am now a carer. Two of the boys are diagnosed with ASD, one has a non formal diagnosis (ie school say but no OT accepting referrals locally due to OT sick leave) of dyspraxia, and ds4 has just been referred for assessment for autism, I would say AS.

Was at Mums with 3 boys. Sunday relaxing in sun in garden etc whilst Dh took one off to see mates. Mum's a fair drive from us so unusual to get to see her therefore a treat. BIL walks in with nephew who runs off with my boys; BIL sits down but doesn't even look at me, fiddling with phone. Coughs and starts to speak:

'All benefits claimants are lazy bastards'

'I'm a carer. I didn't choose this'

'This country cannot afford you'

'I'm going to try and get work next year when the yongest starts school'

'We cannot afford you'

'The boys didn't choose to be disabled'

'We can't afford disabled people; they sort themselves out or fuck off but disability is a luxury we cannot afford'

'What does that mean?'

'We cant afford them'

he then launched into a rant about all the kids with 'rubbish dx's' (I know one via a mate, severe asd) at the school he is a Governor at and walked out. I have spoken to sis since on phone and she clearly has no idea but not seen him. Didn't send birthday card to him either but feel mean for it; bought one but it's still here. Burst into tears and was crying a bit for days after, what with shock of ds4 failing developmental tests and being referred as well. Wish i'd had the guts to ask him what disabled people should actually do or be done with, have gut feeling euthanasia was hanging in the air but not said.

This is my boys, his nephews ffs. I've known him longer than he has known my sister. He' not exactlys truggling- they work hard but have plenty to show for it. I'd understand if they were under threat of bankruptcy or something.

Haven't been to mums other than to do a drop and run since, don't want to see him. He is there a lot.

AIBU to just pretend he doesn't exist? Also tempted to put a clause in will that on no account can he have my boys if dh and I should pass away but no toehr family yong enough.

What to do?

Mum has also had comments from nephew about people who live in social housing being a drain on state; a drain that has given them all hours childcare for six years, 5 days FT a week for 5 of them!

Mum and Dad were mortified but are too scared of losing the nephew they did pretty much raise at one pint (due to sister's ill health) to say anything except that he's a wanker.

Thank you. Please no rants about fraudulent claims; I agree they are criminals. They are not me though.

OP posts:
StealthPolarBear · 14/05/2011 23:24

I would iamgine there would be some exception, some loophole, some reason why their situation was special

HRHShoesytwoesy · 14/05/2011 23:35

op your BIL is a wanker

edam · 14/05/2011 23:55

Round of applause for spidookly's comment: "This whole financial crisis has been a real boon to the cruel and selfish. Now, instead of having to come up with good reasons why a society should abandon people who need help, they can just bleat on about how we can't afford all the things they disagree with anyway and expect to be taken seriously."

I know it was way back towards the start of the thread, but it deserves to be quoted again.

edam · 15/05/2011 00:00

Oh, and I think it would be entirely valid to complain about this attitude from a school governor. He chose to bring pupils into his vile rant. That is shocking and conduct unbefitting. I am a governor, btw. The Governing Body and all individual governors are responsible for upholding and implementing the relevant laws, regulations and guidance, including those relating to discrimination. I don't see how someone who holds such abhorrent views could possibly fulfill the statutory duties of a governor.

DontCallMePeanut · 15/05/2011 00:11

I agree with everyone who says complain about this attitude. How anyone could say that is beyond me. It really is...

My eldest cousin, in his 40's has severe Autism. He's been in a care home since he was young (I don't know that side of the family too well, so don't know the ins and outs) But he didn't ask to be born with any condition, and nor did your DC.

Don't let narrow minded individuals like this get to you. He should, as far as I'm concerned, spend a week working for one of the schools that specialises in educating children with specific needs. That might change his views a bit.

Also, if he wants to arry on with his attitude, then let him know this. My best friend is bi-polar, dyslexic, discalculic, has various problems with hips, lymph nodes, asthma and cannot withstand prolonged periods of mobility. First off, she completed a 5k walk today, in the Race For Life. Secondly, she works as a care assistant, and bloody hard, I might add. As well as that, she's also at college and starting university in September, with a scholarship. I don't know many completely healthy people that could manage that.

Sometimes, an individual with however many disabilities is the most inspiring person you can meet.

LDNmummy · 15/05/2011 01:21

He sounds like a Nazi and I wouldn't want him around my children Angry

BakeliteBelle · 15/05/2011 01:49

Hmmm, I wonder if this is the sort of opinion that some people think inwardly, but - thanks to this government's mantra about how we have to make cuts, cuts and more cuts - they are now getting the 'courage' to voice it? My friend's mother has voiced the same opinion recently - she is a lady in her 70's who has recently been receiving treatment for cancer, so I suggested to her that by the same token, cancer treatment should be reserved for those who are young and 'economically viable'.

Sadly, a lot of people don't know the 'up' side of disability until disability hits them: the gallows humour; the way it makes you reappraise the world and see things in a different, often kinder way; being grateful for the little things in life; understanding and appreciating difference....

Your BIL will probably learn as so many people eventually become disabled through old age, or those around him do.

For the time being, can you just avoid him as much as possible, after making it clear why you can't be around him? Or start ripping the piss out of him and doing a bit of goose-stepping in his presence every time he opens his stupid mouth? That is, make his life as much of a misery as he is making yours...

bananasinpjamas · 15/05/2011 01:56

If asd/dyspraxic people were all culled we wouldn't have:

Issac Newton (ASD)
Alexander Graham Bell(ASD)
Thomas Edison (ASD/Diabetic)
Einstien (? over AS, Dyspraxia, Dyslexia)
Henry Ford (Dyslexia)
Steven Hawking (Motor Neurone Disease)
Leonardo Da Vinci (Dyslexia)
Tom Cruise (Dyslexia)
Walt Disney (Dyslexia)
Charles Dickens (Epilepsy)
Mozart (ASD)
Bill Gates (ASD & Dyspraxia)
Virgin guy (dyslexia & dyspraxia)
Robbie Williams (Dyspraxia and ADHD)
Daniel Radcliffe (Dyspraxia)

Probably loads more...

DontCallMePeanut · 15/05/2011 02:10

I'll be famous one day (Dyspraxic/'dyslexic/PTSD) Grin

And there is a whole list of people with dyslexia and dyspraxia in my dyslexia tutors office. First time I went to see her, saw a picture of Zoe Wanmaker; had never realised she was dyspraxic

CheerfulYank · 15/05/2011 03:00

Oh for heaven's sake. Of course there are people who abuse the system, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people who genuinely need help. What a massive See You Next Tuesday he must be. What are we to do with the disabled, toss them onto ice floes or institutionalize them like the good old days? Angry These are his nephews!

I would have words with him.

eidsvold · 15/05/2011 05:26

tbh I think your parents should have said something about that not being appropriate in their household. That if someone wants to speak about their family like that they can do it elsewhere and they are no longer welcome in your parents house.

If your BIL is like this then he has no right to enjoy the privilege of being part of your family. Therea are so many people out there who are going to give you and yours a hard time - why the hell take it from a family member. IF this man is not edifying to your family life - why the hell give him a) the time of day and b) airtime for such views.

I think you and your husband need to also tell him that he is no longer welcome in your home. The price of that may be the loss of contact with a nephew but tbh - your boys are your priority

MintyMoo · 15/05/2011 13:43

I agree with eidsvold.

I hope you're feeling better today OP?

nickyXjayno · 15/05/2011 14:20

I don't totally agree with the benefits system.
You take a risk when you get pregnant that your kids will not be 100% so you should make sure you are able to support them should they not be.

there are loads of people claiming for disabled kids.

In my opinion if you can't afford kids be they healthy or not don't have them.

It is very very easy to con the government these days, I know of loads of people who 'have bad backs' and can't work and haven't done for years.
They have more money than me!!

My sister in law is a prime example, has never worked a day in her life yet gets more money than me after I've paid all my bills etc, there's nothing wrong with her other than needing a good slap and told to man up and get on with life.

smallwhitecat · 15/05/2011 14:24

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TheFlyingOnion · 15/05/2011 14:27

screeeaaaaaaaammmmmmmmm

nickyXjayno seriously, what the fuck are you talking about??

How much do you thrink 24 hour care EVERY DAY of your entire life costs???????? I'll give you a clue, we're talking in the millions. A carer cost about £8 per hour, and you can multiply that for forever.

Having a "bad back" is in a different league to having a disabled kid and just because you're benefit cheat sister in law is a thief does NOT mean that parents of kids with profound and multiple learning disabities should not be entitled to all the help they need. Their child will never walk, talk, feed himself and be out of nappies, never mind the possibility of getting a job.

I have never said this before on MN but : you stupid, fucking bitch. Seriously.

[anger]

chipmonkey · 15/05/2011 14:37

nickyXjayno Angry How stupid can you get?
My cousin has a gorgeous little boy who has Downs syndrome, a second very rare syndrome, a heart condition, can't walk, has to be peg fed. he requires 24 hour care. If we all sat down and considered whether we could afford to look after a child like him, we would all be sterilised before we started! And he is adored by everyone who knows him.

Maybe only millionaires should breed?-

TheFlyingOnion · 15/05/2011 14:40

Well I hope NickyXJayno is either a multi billionaire or doesn't have kids, cos otherwise that would be a bit hypocritical wouldn't it? Hmm

Not to mention the dubiousness of passing those particular genes on to the next generation. I bet your dinner table is a hotbed of reasoned debate and informed opinion, eh nicky?

DillyDaydreaming · 15/05/2011 14:41

....and the thick as pig shit award of he day goes to ---- nickyxjayno. Congratulations dearie - now piss off and take your stupid opinions with you.

MumblingRagDoll · 15/05/2011 14:49

[Hands crown of dimwitted-ness to NickyXjayno and helps her off the thread with a boot up her arse.]

thetideishigh · 15/05/2011 14:58

NickyXjayno

'tis a long time since I have come across such an unintelligent post spouting a knee-jerk response consisting of ill thought out nonsense.

I'd hazard a guess you think the Daily Mail is a suitably informative way of keeping up to date with current affairs.

TotallyUtterlyDesperate · 15/05/2011 15:17

NickyXjayno

Karma - I hope one day that your crass and evil comments catch up with you. My DH is disabled with a chronic spinal injury and my DS has ASD - may everything evil that you wish on others come back to haunt you.

cannydoit · 15/05/2011 15:19

one word, cock. ignore him. people that want to rant on about benefits and people that claim lose the right to talk to me. i worked and paid taxes and had friends on benefits and didnt begrudge it because i know that you dont know how your situation can change. so let hope he never finds him self redundunt and living on jsa shall we.

HRHShoesytwoesy · 15/05/2011 15:19

nickyXjayno are you stupid?
my dd was fine untill the hospital cocked up and caused brain damage, why the fuck shouldn't she be helped.]
do fuck off

ScousyFogarty · 15/05/2011 15:21

sleepiing, govts take on poor and are not brave enough to take on the rich, Cameron chose to snub the disabled london marchers, The Hardest Hit group. Rank bad manners from a callous PM.

Mamaz0n · 15/05/2011 15:25

FINALLY!!!

Welcome to Mn Nickyxjayno. it has been a long time since there was a poster as ludicrously stupid and ignorant. We have missed DP greatly, its all been so quiet.
At least now you are here we have someone to represent the moronic.

thank you

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