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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

or is my sister?

157 replies

drowninginlaundry · 01/05/2011 17:50

just trying to do the right thing here so help me out:
over the Easter break me and DH went away for 10 days on a charity expedition. My sister, her DH and their two DDs stayed in our house with my mum to look after our three DCs. She volunteered to do this, it was agreed ages ago and it was the only way we could have done it.

We've just had a horrible row over money. We left a float of £300 when we left, my bank card with PIN with instructions that if they needed more for food, outings with the children etc they were to use it. We left them our car, insure them on it. Arranged and paid for cleaners.

When we got back I saw that DSis and brother in law have withdrawn another £700 in cash in 10 days, plus spent £250 on my card, so in total they spent £1250 from our account in 10 days, to feed three adults, four children and one 9-month old baby.

There's history - I help my sister out a lot. When they lived abroad they would visit us on holidays and rarely paid for anything, they drove my car and I filled it with petrol, we always fed them well. She owes me money and I had agreed to waive a £200 debt as a thank you for childcare over Easter.

When I queried the £1250, which as it transpired included things like pub lunches for everyone and filling her car with petrol, she blew her top, and said that since she helped look after my children they should not have had to pay for anything.

I'm happy to contribute for some of their food and obviously they have done us a massive favour, but there is no way I would manage to spend that much in 10 days without going completely nuts in Tesco champagne section. I want her to pay some of her family's share back as we simply can't afford to pick up that kind of tab (put it this way, they don't spend like that when it's their own money. They are both teachers so good jobs but not loaded), but I don't know how much would be reasonable given how much they helped us. And I don't want us to fall out over this.

OP posts:
YellowDinosaur · 01/05/2011 18:27

And if she brings up the childcare costs argument I would say 'fine if you want to be a childminder then I will report you to Ofsted for being unregistered'

(I probably wouldn't say that actually but I would want to!!!)

warthog · 01/05/2011 18:27

ya TOTALLY nbu

i don't see how you can't fall out over this. they must have been eating out every day to spend that kind of cash.

you've been totally ripped off and i think you do need to make a stand.

can you pump your mum for a bit more info? ask her where the £125 per day went. she must have an idea...

drowninginlaundry · 01/05/2011 18:30

I have been trying to figure out where the money went, I know they went to the zoo once and to a children's farm, but they went in on our membership cards and took a packed lunch. They went to the beach a lot, just normal stuff.
My mum is scared of my sister I think, she says she tried to say something but was snapped at. She had flown from abroad on her own.
I can't believe my sister is offended.
What a sodding mess.

Thank you all for replying, i have learned my lesson.

OP posts:
WinkyWinkola · 01/05/2011 18:30

The whole point of the op's family doing the childcare was that she wouldn't be paying childcare rates.

I wouldnt have left my card but asked my sister for receipts of everything she bought so I could pay her back.

She has totally taken the piss IMO and knows it. And her h was wearing your dh's clothes? That is weird too and totally inappropriate.

I would never ever ask these people for any kind of favour again. Nor would I under any circumstances lend them money again.

With piss takers, you've got to have a very simple, clearcut relati

unsurevalentine · 01/05/2011 18:30

Did your mum actually know?

greencaveman · 01/05/2011 18:31

YANBU.

However, you are not going to get anything repaid because:

  1. They didn't do anything illegal
  2. Your sister seems to have a history of scabbing money from you

So basically you have to write this off - there is no other option. The only thing that is up for discussion is what sort of relationship you are going to have with your sister from now on. I am interested to know what your mum thought of your sister blowing your money like this? Why did she not step in?

I have seen this sort of thing before. My brother considers himself to be "poorer" than us. Although our household income is more, we have a family of 4 to pay for. His income is less, but he has only himself to pay for. Anyway, whenever he sees us, he expects us to pay for everything. Food, drinks, entry fees...everything just because he thinks we're richer than him. He is quite rude about it, often forgetting his wallet and as a consequence, we invite him far less frequently than we could. I haven't had a row with him as I am a peacekeeper but I am pissed off about it.

As for your £1,250. I can easily see how 3 adults and 5 children on a mission to blow money could get through this:

eg petrol/diesel - 3 tanks split between your/their cars - £150 - £200
food - meal out for 3 adults and 5 kids = £80 - £100 a go at a place like pizza express/similar? 3 or 4 times - £300 accumulated
food shopping - getting fancy stuff - 10 days, 8 people - could easily spend £400
entry fees - could be upwards of £100 at theme parks/similar for that many people
a couple more hundred pounds of reckless spending - clothes/toys in supermarkets/ambient food/good for themselves to take home.

TBH I wouldn't ask for any more breakdown. It will make you want to be sick. I'm not sure how she can even stand in front of you having spent that much of your money. She clearly has no shame!

WinkyWinkola · 01/05/2011 18:31

The whole point of the op's family doing the childcare was that she wouldn't be paying childcare rates.

I wouldnt have left my card but asked my sister for receipts of everything she bought so I could pay her back.

She has totally taken the piss IMO and knows it. And her h was wearing your dh's clothes? That is weird too and totally inappropriate.

I would never ever ask these people for any kind of favour again. Nor would I under any circumstances lend them money again.

With piss takers, you've got to have a very simple, clearcut relationship that involves no favours because it will never end nicely.

c0rn51lk · 01/05/2011 18:32

your sister is offended! Wow.

WinkyWinkola · 01/05/2011 18:33

Aaargh. Posted twice. Blooming phone.

greencaveman · 01/05/2011 18:33

WTF

I have just seen that her DH was wearing your DH's clothes ShockShock

Also that your poor mum was shouted down.

mumeeee · 01/05/2011 18:36

YANBUm £1250 is way too much to spend in 10 days.

FabbyChic · 01/05/2011 18:36

I would also suggest that they repay you £500.00.

To be honest you were fools to yourselves. You should have worked out how much it would cost for the 10 days and left that to the penny, leaving your card was a disaster and they took the piss out of you, eating out when they would normally eat in.

Tell your sister that unless she can provide receipts you will not entertain that kind of expenditure, she may well have bought herself or her children new clothes with that and you would never know.

I don't believe you will see that money again, and in time you will forget it and be ripped off, more fool you.

skybluepearl · 01/05/2011 18:39

you sister is clearly very mean, selfish and underhand when you were doing something charitable. If she were my sister i wouldn't want any thing to do with her. She obiously sees you as a cash cow and not a close relative.

saffy85 · 01/05/2011 18:44

My BIL is like that too greencaveman. He has a massive chip on his shoulder and I have actually heard him say before "let Saffy pay up. Her and her bloke are minted." Hmm Are we bollocks. We both work sure, but unlike him and my sister (she doesn't work atm) we have to pay out for childcare and our rent is more. Not that it should bloody matter either way. Whatever happened to self respect?

And you're right. You're not going to see that money again OP so you'll have to write it off although I can imagine it would leave a bitter taste in your mouth doing so. I might be inclined to warn any other people in your family or mutual friends who your sister might offer the same "service" to that she is a massive pisstaker with a huge sense of self entitlement. And that her DH likes going through peoples' wardrobes and stealing their clothes. Fucking weirdo.

seb1 · 01/05/2011 18:45

Say to her "In the last ten days you and your money grabbing family have had all your Xmas and Birthdays presents from me for the next 20 years, Bye, watch the door doesn't hit your greedy arse on the way out." Smile

AuntiePickleBottom · 01/05/2011 18:48

£150 a day seems reasonable, especially if they where going to the zoo, beach, pub lunches ect especially with three adults, four children and one 9-month old baby.

that works out to be £21 per person per day (not including the baby) who would of needed formula milk, possible they may have got jarred food for her.

an ice-cream alone would of been approx £10 for the family, that alone comes to £100 if bought every day

TheSkiingGardener · 01/05/2011 18:51

What a situation! Your sister has stolen from you and you haven't got a leg to stand on.

You can ask for money back, for itemised lists of where it went but in her eyes she doesn't owe you anything. I would have to say kiss goodbye to the money and tell your sister why you will never be contacting her again.

WinkyWinkola · 01/05/2011 18:53

£150 a day is not reasonable! The beach is free. The op says shehas membership to one family day out option. Sandwiches would be the norm.

I think it's terrible thing to rip off your own sister.

I'd ditch her personally.

pooka · 01/05/2011 18:54

But they would have been feeding themselves and their own children in their own home and using their own petrol and utilities if they hadn't been at the ops house. And her sister offered to stay with their mother.

AuntiePickleBottom · 01/05/2011 18:55

depends on how far the beach is, also thye would of had to take 2 cars as even a 7 seater would not been big enough, so putting petrol in 2 cars

AuntiePickleBottom · 01/05/2011 18:56

infact any where they would of went would of required 2 cars

AllOverIt · 01/05/2011 18:56

Wow. They must have stolen the cash, there's no way they spent that in 10 days if they were doing beach stuff and picnics and using your membership for things.

I guess if you don't want to fall out over it, then you have to write it off. I couldn't frankly. I'd demand to know how that money was spent...

WhiteBumOfTheMountain · 01/05/2011 18:57

You were naieve and she was greedy. That's all there is to it.

Get over it...leave it....do you want to fall out with her over cash? Not worth it.

caughtinanet · 01/05/2011 18:57

Is there any chance that your sister is on MN and that she might see exactly what the vast majority of people think if her actions?

AuntiePB - the OP has said that she has membership cards for the zoo and presumably lives by the coast, I can't see how anyone could spend £150 on a day out in those circumstances and even if they did on one day who would do it every day for 10 days?

If it was my sister I would find it very hard to forgive and forget, stealing is unforgivable for me.

AuntiePickleBottom · 01/05/2011 19:00

her sister never stolen the cash, the op gave her the pin number and basically said take what ever is needed.

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