pack it in with the vicious sniping about beatrice and eugenie

[springydaffs]

they are 21/22, young girls, with the eyes of the world on them. I am horrified at the generally vicious comments about how they looked at the wedding. Leave them alone for goodness sake. Their mother is generally vilified and those girls have to live with that - not least at this wedding where she was notable by her lack of invitation, for whatever reason. How was your confidence when you were 21/22? Probably not that hot. HOw was your fashions sense at that age? Probably not that hot. Did you listen to any advice/advisors at that age? PROBABLY NOT.

fwiw I think they looked great - Eugenie's outfit was lovely and it suited her. Beatrice's coat didn't fit that well but the hat was fab and imo their outfits were a mature and respectful choice.

But I'm a fashion designer, so what would I know

I would have purposely worn an unmistakeable teletubby on my head.

I think the Middletons were trying to fit in and look elegant and appropriate, and they all succeeded admirably.

Fergie's daughters on the ther hand have been brought up going to Royal events since childhood. I suspect they want a young look andwant to ring the changes on fusty old tradition and make it work for them. Not exactly attention-seeking, but a different agenda, and it didn't come off unfortunately. Much more difficult with curves, too. However, I do remember a wonderful picture of Nigella around the same age at a wedding in 50s chic (she was holding one of those cigarette holders and had flicky eyeliner), and I think the York girls would have looked great and very now in clothes tailored for them with a similar vibe. I think slim fit skirts not flounces and fitted blouses or jackets (if not actual corsets for day). And the right underpinnings.

Another problem, as has been said, is thinking "Well I don't need to bother with getting every detail of this right because I'm me (i.e. Royal born)" when other people at the same function, even if, say, several sizes smaller, are trying to get every detail right with a degree of obsession because it is such a big occasion. Hence unfortnate comparisons. And the York girls do not have the excuse of being busy with charity work or winning gold medals showjumping, as Anne's family do, and thus being too busy or otherwise occupied to focus on this fashion stuff.

I think you are spot on herecomesthesun. They are pretty and could look great.

But why should they have to look great? Not everyone is that concerned about looking the best they can (I know I'm not). I'd go for presentable and ordinary every time, rather than spending vast amounts of time deliberating the finer details of appearances.

What about the men.

Prince Harry's hair looked messy and should have been cut for the wedding.

It's just a guess, but I don't think they read Mumsnet.

And the shops are full of perfectly pleasant clothes and hats. Philip Treacy should be ashamed of himself.

At no point have I said that my opinion as a fashion designer outweighs anybody else's - of course not, that's ridiculous. I have said that if anybody didn't like what the girls wore then fair enough, your prerogative - it is the pack it in with the vicious sniping that is my beef - they are human beings and happen to be young human beings, in the public eye when they didn't choose to be. I think as a fashion designer (did I mention?) I saw the designs first, before I saw the garments on the girls, and I enjoyed the girls enjoying the clothes. There is every type of fashion designer, with every variation of focus but as somebody said, the Alexander McQueens etc pushed the boat out by being focused entirely on the fashion of a garment; and why fashion models are notoriously tragically thin, literally coat hangers: all the better to focus on the designs not the designs on the body. If those girls wore what TPT wore they would have been laughed out of the abbey but TPT got away with it because she's thin - (nearly) everything is excused if a woman is thin. Of all the crimes, a woman is not allowed to be seen to enjoy wearing clothes unless she's (very) thin; it is seen as an affront to parade a not-thin body in clothes other than clothes that act to disguise the 'fat'. If she's rich, or privileged, this is seen as a double affront re who does she think she is parading herself like that, just because she's rich she thinks she can do what she likes. Well yes, imo, she can and shouldn't be viciously ripped to shreds for it by other women.

I am fairly sure MayBankHoliday that the sort of person who wants to go for 'presentable and ordinary' and who does not want to be subjected to lots of discussion about their fashion choices does not strap a set of beige antlers to her head before going out to be filmed by the international media.

Just a guess, assuming Beatrice(?) isn't an idiot, she knew that it was quite a hat and wanted the attention.

I liked Harry's girlfriend, she totally looked like she had rolled out of bed late with a hangover and gone 'Fuck fuck fuck, where's my hat?!' a girl after my own heart.

Somehow I doubt Eugenie and Beatrice come on Mumsnet very often so don't think they'll notice any sniping about their outfits on here. They looked dreadful though, mum said they're like a couple of pantomine ugly step-sisters. She's not far wrong.

they love the attention though don't they

hey at twenty one i went to a wedding in hotpants (demin) colourful tights and odd doc matins those girls looked good

Well to be fair LeQueen it was an occassion for dress ups.

If I had been there I would have gone for something long and corseted and maybe red (cause I look hot in red) and as 'dressy uppy' as I could have. Just for the hell of it. (And my boots obviously, a girl should never be without her boots, shit happens).

Perhaps that is what she was thinking? 'What the hell! Bring me the reindeer hat!'.

models are Literally coat hangers?

Lots of women who are not stick thin enjoy fashion without being ripped to shred. In fact I read on here lots of criticism when celebs like Cheryl Cole, lily Allen, Jennifer Anniston, Victoria beckham, get too thin.

Equally a lot of skinny women would get the piss ripped out of them if they wore penis coloured antlers on their head.

The people who have called them fat or ugly are unpleasant IMO. But anyone who thinks their outfits are fine is a little stylistically challenged.

BTW did i mention?I do hems and make Halloween costumes for 8 year olds

They both looked much better for the evening do and these dresses really suited them. Really looked elegant and stylish.

www.celebitchy.com/154153/princesses_eugenie_beatrices_wedding_fashion_tragic_or_not_the_worst

I made some bags last week.

I may make a baby hat today..

"The Spencer ladies all looked amazing...."

Now I thought that they looked as if they had come straight from TOWIE.

I think that the Yorks could have looked so much better with such slight alterations, that´s what I find sad.

Different hemline for Eugenie, different hat for Beatrice for example.

Wonder if they get some of these outfits for free?

Looks as if Beatrice wore something lovely for the evening do.

springydaffs, I wouldn't waste your time and energy, many of the women on here are utterly vicious and hard (especially scottishmummy who gives me the creeps).
If you dare to stand up for what's right you're labelled sanctimonious. Move on, honestly.

Oh this thread has made me weep.

I was rather fond of Fergie way back when, but I know nothing about her daughters. I am sure they are lovely young women.

However, the one with dark hair looked like Widow Twanky yesterday, and her sister looked perfectly fine from the forehead down. That hat looked like the product of a pair of Laura Ashley curtains and a doodle of a uterus and fallopian tubes, though. It was more than ridiculous.

Dress sense is by no means the be all and end all, and I generally have no time for it, but I sat in slack-jawed horror when those two rocked up to the Abbey yesterday. I half think their mother picked the outfits just to spite Queenie et al. B made her look like a baroque moose sitting behind her with that thing on her (othwise quite lovely) head.

Scottishmummy? Vicious?
Bollocks.
Straight talking does not equal vicious.

Did you mean viscous perhaps? I couldn't comment on her viscosity obviously.