to think it's highly unlikely that Jesus was dead when they put him into the tomb?

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Crucified for 1 day with nails put in hands and feet and a spear wound on his side. I think he must have just been unconscious when put in the cave. Then 'came to' the day later and pushed the stone away with the sort of supehuman strength that, for example, women get whentheir babies are trapped under soemthing heavy. Guards outside tomb could have been sleeping or buggered off or something.

It's not a cop out. I was asked about something I said in brief and I expanded on it. You were just hoping that I would say I would be unhappy of my child grew up to be a Christian. And I didn't and wouldn't. In fact, i have said nothing to show that I am not a Christian myself - for all you know I am!

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I am always asking for examples of "christian bashing" "anti Christian propaganda" and 'extreme atheism" and nobody ever seems to be able to give me any."

Could you not even have a go at this one?

It's not a cop out. I was asked about something I said in brief and I expanded on it. You were just hoping that I would say I would be unhappy of my child grew up to be a Christian. And I didn't and wouldn't. In fact, i have said nothing to show that I am not a Christian myself - for all you know I am!

Unbelievable ! Really unbelievable. You really don't hesitate to come out with complete bollx at times Seeker.

I was asking you to tell me which religions have core values that would make you love/respect your child less. Not extremist groups within religions because that is NOT what you originally wrote.

I am always asking for examples of "christian bashing" "anti Christian propaganda" and 'extreme atheism" and nobody ever seems to be able to give me any."

Could you not even have a go at this one?

No, I can't as I have never met anyone with such views as you have mentioned above.

"I was asking you to tell me which religions have core values that would make you love/respect your child less. Not extremist groups within religions because that is NOT what you originally wrote."

I apologize for my original posts inaccuracies. i don't think there are any actual religions whose core beliefs would make me love/respect my children less.As I have made clear, however, there are sects which would have that effect.

And I apologize again - I thought you were one of the people who think that Christinity is being marginalized in this country - I see that you are not. And you say you have never met anyone who thinks that. I agree that an internet forum is not exactly meeting people, but there are plenty on here!

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I know that this topic as gone a bit off-topic now but I wanted to put my thoughts on the original question down.

The reason that Jesus was stabbed in the side was to see if his blood and water flowed seperately from the wound. They did and this confirmed that he was dead. I remember someone once saying to me that even if Jesus had somehow survived everything that had happened to him during the crucifiction the tomb 'wasn't exactly intensive care'. Its highly unlikely that he would have recovered enough to roll away the stone and also be unseen by the Roman guards.

I don't believe in the theory that the body was stolen by the early church. As I heard once in reference to this, 'in a conspiracy someone always cracks'. No-one let on and also the early Christians died for their belief that Jesus rose again, they must have really believed it!

Jesus not only appeared to people as if a vision when he rose but he ate with them, spoke with them and allowed Thomas to touch his wounds. I think that the reason people didn't recognise him was his resurrection body was a new body not his earthly body recovered iyswim. I think this is difficult comcept to understand though and one I'm still grappling with.

Lastly I think that the question OP posed is fine for Easter Sunday. Jesus was always willing to talk with and engage with people, I can't see him turning people away because it was a significant day. In fact he was criticised himself for healing on a Sunday.

I amalways amused when people shout "bollocks" then run away!

Oh my thread is still going!

My point is that you have rubbished the idea that he could possibly have still been alive, or could have been stolen from the tomb as that is not physically possible. Whereas i am saying it is far more physically possible than dying, then coming back to life. Anyway, I don't know the answers obviously, none of us do! I didn't know the disciples didn't recognise him, using our common sense surely tells us that it was unlikely to be jesus.

I understand your points Wanksock, I suspose for Christians though that is where faith comes in. I agree it is difficult thing to grasp and believe, I don't think that ever really believe it in a logical sense iyswim you just have faith that it happened partly because of God's promises and prophesies earlier in the bible.

The disciples didn't recognise Jesus initially but they recognised his mannerisms eg they recognised the way he blessed the bread. They also recognised things that he said to them. When they recognised him they knew instantly that it was him, it was like a light bulb moment. Also Thomas put his hands in the wounds on Jesus' hands and feet where the nails had been at the crucifiction.

Who shouted 'bollocks' and then left Seeker, ?

There's no real evidence for any of that though, Wellies.

It all depends on the circular logic of faith->believing the bible is all true->faith

The earliest gospel (Mark) ends with the women finding a young man in the tomb who tells them Jesus has risen and to go to Galilee where they will see them... and they flee, saying nothing to anyone. ...then...that's it. (Later manuscripts add appearances to various people)

Luke has two young men and the women reporting back to the disciples who don't believe it. Then various appearances later.

Mathew has one angel, the women going to tell the disciples immediately but seeing Jesus on the way.

John has yet another order of events....

So - start with one inconclusive story, embroider it, add accumulated hearsay ... end up with a set of inconsistent narratives. This does not constitute evidence that any of these events happened according to any of the descriptions.