to think it's highly unlikely that Jesus was dead when they put him into the tomb?

[cunexttuesonline]

Crucified for 1 day with nails put in hands and feet and a spear wound on his side. I think he must have just been unconscious when put in the cave. Then 'came to' the day later and pushed the stone away with the sort of supehuman strength that, for example, women get whentheir babies are trapped under soemthing heavy. Guards outside tomb could have been sleeping or buggered off or something.

Er - a medal, I think!
So, you could move up to Scotland, go back out with Alex, not have your DC praying, and influence the Scottish parliament at the same time through pillow-talk.
I see a plan here.

No. Do you? Is this a competition?

The point is, I do not feel persecuted. You apparently do. That is what I asked you about.

And you have still not addressed the other question.

why do people keep going on about the fact that Every school in Britian is required by law to have an act of worship of "wholly or mainly Christian character" every day?

Do you not know that you have a right to withdraw your child from any act of worship if you so wish.

And as for not everybody being lucky enough to have a choice of a local non faith school, well this acts in reverse also as not everyone who wants a local faith school has one either.
Do what we have to do and travel to a school that suits your choice.

Sadly, we're both now spoken for!

Alex Salmond! are you joking seeker?

My dd doesn't have daily prayer at school but the minister comes once a fortnight.

What other question button? Sorry I'm doing 3 things at once here, hence my time-lag replies

I don't feel persecuted. That would be silly. I do think the situation is just plain ridiculous!

cantspel Do you not know that you have a right to withdraw your child from any act of worship if you so wish.

That's what I was led to believe which is why I couldn't understand why Seeker was aggravated by it. Is this then not the case in every school?

Easterigg - hi I am in scotland too, I have just read the PROVISION OF RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE IN SCOTTISH SCHOOLS thing and I wondered what happens in your school to the children who have been withdrawn from the religious observance, if there are any? I.e. what do they do instead?

Sorry curryspice - I was referring to seeker's feelings of persecution and treatment of any children who grow up to have a faith. Not meant for you!

I see she's having more fun reliving the glory years with Alex Salmond though!

Oh I see

I was going to bed but I'm worried now that I'll have Salmond-related nightmares if I do!!

I see she's having more fun reliving the glory years with Alex Salmond though! LOL

I'm thinking the same curry. Though as a pg person with a long drive tomorrow, I might take my chances with the nightmares.

I think it's probably my civic duty!

yes even faith schools but it is strange that urrently, less than 1% of parents exercise this right and most of those are Muslims, unhappy at their children being taught about other faiths.

(figure and statement from the national secular society not any religious souce)

yep I am off to have a sex dream about alex salmond with my wanksock.. night

This is why I don't think the secular thing is going to work in relation to education, until everyone is happy to have their children learn about other faiths. Maybe we're just ready for it yet or ever will be.

Ewwww!

cantspel in my day it was mainly Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons who were withdrawn by their parents from any religious stuff.

wanksock you're so easy

I am not sure where the national secular society get their info from i only choose to quote their figure and statement as if i had found one from any religious source then i would get accused of quoting a biased statement in favor of the status quo.

Oh, I wasn't disagreeing! Just adding more information. I can readily believe that the right to withdraw a child is exercised by Muslims as well as others.

Logic or historical fact or science ,sadly, will never defeat blind faith.

So even if the Turin shroud were irrefutably proved to be a medieval or later fake - chiristians would still argue it is divine and therefore immune from the laws of science or logic.

As a non-christian I don't celebrate any of these festivals and am alarmed and worried - on another thread - even more - by tales of father christmas and tooth fairies being kept up in near pubescent children.

That just feels as wrong and distasteful as over sexualisation of kids, to be frank. We need to show children how to think and to avoid gullibility. Therein lies the lies and deception of those discredited faith-healing-for-a fee 'ministries'.

Oh, please don't think we all have a blind faith Bella. Nor do all (arguably, many) Christians believe that the Turin shroud is divine, let alone real. Many Christians don't have any faith in any relic of any sort.

I do not believe that my faith is immune from the laws of science or logic.

What I do see, is the divinity of God in nature. The stamp of the divine is everywhere. Even David Attenborough once said that he saw beauty in the design of a creature. Now that's illogical!

Faith is what keeps a lot of people going, it is a way of life, whatever faith it may be. Take that away and they are left with nothing, no meaning in their lives. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, depending on how closely you follow the faith it impacts massively on your everyday life.

i know a young boy of 12 who has faith, neither of his parents are religious in any way shape or form. He goes to a bog standard comp so no religious hot house. How has he not learnt to think? Or does being able to think only count if that thinking dismisses religion.

Unfortunately cantspel that is exactly what it means.

Having faith means (to many) that you are gullible and naive. Even of subnormal intelligence.

It's a real shame that those people will never encounter the very many highly intelligent, highly qualified (yes, even in scientific fields) men and women that share my faith.

We live in a country with an established Church, I agree. But only something like 17% of the population - I think, it might be fewer - actually attend a place of Christian worship every week. I realize that you don;t ahve to attend a Church to be a Christian but is is an iportant point.

But ALL children attending ANY State schools are expected to attemd a daily assembly of a "broadly Christian nature". Yes. of course you can withdraw you child, but why should your child be prevented from taking a full part i the life of the school because of this bizarre rule? And children are often taught that "God made them" and to give thanks to God for things (mumsnet threads passim)

There is a huge difference - which some people seem to find hard to grasp - between learning about Christianity and ctually taking part in Christian worship. One is good and inlusive. The other isn't.

Schools are the only state funded institutions where religious practice is compulsory. You don;t have to pray in the Tax office, or in hospital - why in school?