to think it's highly unlikely that Jesus was dead when they put him into the tomb?

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Crucified for 1 day with nails put in hands and feet and a spear wound on his side. I think he must have just been unconscious when put in the cave. Then 'came to' the day later and pushed the stone away with the sort of supehuman strength that, for example, women get whentheir babies are trapped under soemthing heavy. Guards outside tomb could have been sleeping or buggered off or something.

Sorry if I have caused any offence. I asked it today, just because I thought of it today, being easter sunday. it's topical :)

If you're offended by that, your faith isn't that strong to begin with, tbh.

I'm with Vallhala, it's all a load of rubbish. But it means that we get to eat lots of chocolate today, so not all bad. The thread title makes it quite clear what this thread is about, if you are likely to be offended, don't read it.

Oh, and I also believe that Islam is a bunch of old tosh and would happily say so on any of their religious days. It is after all, only my opinion.

Wanksock
Try it and see you can roll away the stone

Mike - no thanks. I didn't say it was easy, but it's a lot more possible than dying and then coming back to life the next day.

I think historians say Jesus was a real person...but a lot of what was written about him his probABLY muddled And sort of folk lore. (some of it made up by politicos of the time. Jesus seems to have been light years ahead of his time....and ours???

The spear was put into his side to make sure that he was dead wasn't it? They would have made sure that he was dead - it was an execution.

Spear through the heart or head would have been more effective?

Dead bodies don't bleed much. Any wound would do the trick.

I think he was dead but his tomb was robbed by his followers.

I am not religious and do not think he was the son of god.

Oh feck off OP. I don't ridicule non-belief so please extend the same courtesy. YABU and intolerant to boot which is the REAL reason we have wars. People not respecting the beliefs of others is the root of evil - so in the nicest possible way just feck off.

I think he was dead.

Those who saw him didn't recognise him though...what was that about? And where did he go next?

I think those who saw him might have seen a vision, rather than the real thing. My great aunt swore blind her father visited her straight after he died.

you can believe what you want, I respect your right to do so, I do not respect WHAT you believe.

I'm a Christian and not remotely offended - as clockface said my faith wouldn't be up to much if it couldn't withstand a bit of debate.

And yes, my understanding is that the job of the spear in the side was to check he was dead rather than to finish the job. They seemed to know what they were doing with executions - lots of practice!

"interesting question" - rofl

load of shite more like

stupid question, fairy stories a-go-go

Got to get in quick before yet another 'relgious' thread turns insufferably intellectual in .6 seconds

Why not just accept he was dead? Then it would make sense.

It doesnpt worry me that this thrad appeared today, as both Christian and RE graduate.

If it were a randomly offensive thing then of course; but questioning is not so muck OK as important.

Generally IIRC there were quite tight procedures to cjheck people were dead (for instance all Gladiator fights were accompanied by despatchers who banged the losers over the head with a mallet to prevent collaborators escaping death). Romans weren't stupid. however it seems to me if you accept that he was seen afterwards- which would be assumed by believing he faked death- then you surely must believe the rest given that the sightings afterwards were pretty magical and included his rise to Heaven. Oor you think it was all simply myth (the resurrection / miracles, I realise there's nothing unbelievable about the wandering philosphical mendicant given how many there were) in which case fine, you're not a christian, no issue with that.

Then it would make sense = [buconfused] the bible makes very little sense.

Happy Zombie-Jesus Day to you all!!

Why is one form of scholarly interest insufferably intellectual? It's something (world faiths) that interests me is all.

And indeed why can't people discuss fairy stories if they choose? There's much to be had in those alone that bear contemporary examination, for example to feminism.

So

I dont really care what the op thinks as it has nothing to do with me. I have faith and that faith doesn't the the validation or approval of someone on the internet.

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I think that the Romans would have been more than capable of deciding whether an executed prisoner was alive or dead. The spear in the side was to check if he was dead. They would have made absolutely sure that a high profile prisoner like Jesus was dead.
Also bear in mind that before he was crucified he was flogged with a whip so his body would already have been in shock. He would also have been seriously dehydrated I should imagine.

Debate is one thing, except some people are incapable of debate without resorting to name calling. And thats when it becomes childish and ignorant.

Er - Jesus was Jewish

We are Christians because we believe that Jesus was the son of God - he was sent to Earth to atone for our sins..

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah

Jesus is just a prophet in Islamic faith (IIRC)

The Old Testament is the history of the Jewish nation
The New Testament is a collection of letters and gospels spreading the Good News.

I don't really care about the truth (or not) of the story - the Christmas story is also very unlikely - but my faith does not depend on the veracity of reported events it is in the doing and teachings of the church.

ts needs humour....Pickfords were rung up and told to pick up a body. They took it to the wrong plaCE A witch doctor breathed life into it. And jesus was so grateful he entered a monastery My God loves humour