To think that the world will never turn to being veggy...

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To think that the world will never turn to being veggy...and meat is actually quite tasty...yumm ....roast chicken....

But buying free range/freedom food meat if you can afford it is the next best thing?

Sharbie, vegetarianism is more fashionable than it was. Generally were are moving in the right direction. (I think the right direction would be to eat much less meat)

No, Winter, just bored, bored, bored of pettiness.

Perhaps it was because your comment was so crassly offensive last time that I thought that you've spouted more rubbish than you actually have. Apologies for not noting that you'd onlyspouted rubbish and been crassly offensive towards me twice.

I do remember now though. I recall that the last time I decided to completely ignore you. I shall do so again.

Reading the posts which go out on the attack to vegetarians and vegans - as opposed to those which offer a constructive argument why they eat meat - I've concluded that the attackers must be doing so out of guilt.

I reckon that they know that what they're doing is immoral but they can't bring themselves to admit it, so instead they become abusive about those who do act in accordance with advanced morals.

If you look at any product and it has vegetable oil as one of its ingredients - chances are that is is some cheapo palm oil - production of which is devastating the rainforests and natural habitat of a lot of animals in the SE Asia (endangered)

I think it is short-sighted to have a pop at those who eat meat as there are consequences attached to everything we put in our mouths

I am just sorry, but the welfare of animals we eat is not high on my agenda.

I also drink milk - a very slippery slope ...

to throw a cat amongst the chickens....

I think there should be scientific tests. Does being a vegetarian tend to make you smug and controlling or do smug and controlling people look for any cause to be smug and controlling about.

If you really want to stop people starving then teach them not to keep attacking their neighbours and plant some bloody crops. It's all very well wailing "The western countries have so much more than us", but you have to stick the seeds in the ground like we do.

The other way to save the planet if you are serious about it is to stop having children. The lower the population the better off the planet is.

"I think there should be scientific tests. Does being a vegetarian tend to make you smug and controlling or do smug and controlling people look for any cause to be smug and controlling about."

Sorry onagar, I can't help.

I'm vegan.

Smug >>> :o

how can it turn veggie when steak and chips tastes sooooooo good

I like meat, I like animals, I expect farm animals to be well treated during their lives and I put my money where my mouth is.

I also believe that meat is an essential part of a healthy diet.

Valhalla - you honestly thing that eating meat is immoral? Wow! Do you feed your dogs a vegetarian diet?

Valhalla etc, I'd step away from this thread now. I got involved in a thread like this before and you cannot win. The ignorance and sheer selfishness is staggering. People would rather put their fingers in their ears and go lalalala or hurl insults at the vegetarians, calling them loon/sanctimonious etc rather than face up to their selfish, disgusting choices. And yes, all you meat eaters, eating dead flesh from animals who have often literally been skinned alive or had other miserable deaths, is disgusting and unnecessary.

How any can derive enjoyment from food that lived and died a miserable death is entirely beyond me but sadly the majority seem to manage it. Going to step away from the thread now and advise other vegetarians to do the same as it's just upsetting to see the ignorance and selfishness that abounds. Abuse me all you want, not planning to return to see your comments!

Glacier, not the first time I've had that question by a long shot. :o

Yes, I believe that the consumption of meat in humans who are able to choose alternatives is immoral. I also believe that it is barbaric. I'm only surprised that you felt the need to ask tbh.

WRT my dogs, I consider them a seperate species to my own and believe that my own (in the thinking world, so-called "civilised" world at any rate) have the capacity to be evolved enough not to eat meat... to know better. Dogs do not know better and they sometimes don't thrive as well on a vegetarian diet as the average healthy human does. I therefore feed my dogs a high quality bloody expensive! fish based kibble.

My children, however, have been vegetarian since birth.

Oh, there's always been a nutjob fringe among vegetarians. It's like people who are absolutely obsessed with stopping anyone having any kind of sex they themselves don't like - there is a personality trait, almost a fetish, for getting your jollies by stopping someone else getting theirs. Some people display this trait about the sex lives of others, and some are this way about what other people eat.

Bit of a difference isn't there, SCGB?

Your sex life, assuming it's all consenting adults, hurts no-one. The same can't be said of killing animals for human satisfaction.

Valhalla, I'm sat here chuckling at your extreme views! Your poor kids - how strange to feel the need to control what they eat to that extent.

I think dogs know very well what's good for them and often know better than humans on all manner of issues, let alone what's good to eat.

Thanks for the giggle, have a good weekend!

You have to realise Vallhala that your DCs have the same free choice that you have had. I have found, watching DCs grow up, that it is about 50/50 whether they follow the parents or not.

Rhinestone, my "poor kids" are more humane than the vast majority of the adult posters on this thread will ever be, so I'm happy with that thank you, and so are they.

And, on that note, I'm joining YCGPSU because I too find some of the opinions voiced on here too sad, too ignorant, too disgusting and too offensive to be able to respond with even a semblence of politeness for much longer.

Something that has always annoyed me is the evangelical attitude of (some) veggies that I've known. I believe that MOST of us are constitutionally meant to be omnivores, eating whatever's going to fuel us best, and possibly varying it according to season and location. I tried a vegan way of eating for a few months about 5 years ago, and that's when I knew it would make me ill. Despite a carefully planned (and professionally monitored) intake, I felt ill. I was always tired, looked dreadful and my blood felt like it was running cold in mid-summer.

What suits one will never suit all particularly well. We would probably all survive if we had to be 100% vegetarian, but not all of us would thrive.

I support anyone's right to be veggie or vegan, but I don't like those that try and dictate to others. I do buy the best quality (in terms of compassionate farming) that is affordable for us.

For all the reasons given on here, saying we should all be veggie on an emotive basis alone just doesn't stack up. It's almost always said by people who are actually hugely out of touch with nature and its cycles of life and death, as well as how and why our countryside is how it is. I think the overconsumption of anything (and the waste) is horrible, but I think eliminating the human consumption of meat would create far more problems than it would solve.

I agree with the OP, I like meat but will only buy free-range - that means we can only eat meat about once or twice a week but that's fine, IMO there's no excuse for supporting for battery-farming

The more evangelical the veggie, the more likely the DC will choose meat when able.
I buy meat from a farm shop-I can see it in the fields so I know where it comes from.

I think that nowadays there are consequences attatched to pretty much everything that we eat.

I live in Italy, I have just bought a magazine with a long article on how the mafia controls the production of tomatoes, bread, and most of the vegetables etc etc. It is depressing.

And yes, it is also immoral to consume too much meat and fish.

I am reducing our meat consumption. The only reason why I still haven't swapped to vegetarianism is that I am greedy and I like meat too much.

It is an interesting debate and it si sad to resort to personal insults, imo

I afford the better meat by cooking vegetarian a lot of the time.

"oh, it tastes so good, you're missing out, when you smell bacon don't you go crazy?"

Meat does taste good but I wouldn't tell anyone they were missing out. The only people I've ever heard mention that the smell of bacon drives them 'crazy' is vegetarians themselves.

Calling me disgusting, selfish and cruel for eating meat would have me dismissing someone as a loon and would make me less likely to want to listen to them and their point of view.

I would never criticise a vegetarian, they have made their choice and they are just as entitled to it as anyone else. I just criticise them when they choose on someone else's behalf-once that someone else gets to be about 8yrs old.

"The more evangelical the veggie, the more likely the DC will choose meat when able."

I hate it when people spout tosh like it is fact. If my dc is raised knowing where meat comes from she is more likely to eat meat? Bull shit.

If being "evangelical" didn't work the christian church would have died out a couple thousand years ago.