R.I.P to the 96

[charleneanne]

Stuff the Royal Wedding more important to remember is the 96 innocent people that died at Anfield after the disaster struck spare a thought for those and their families instead of the stuck up twats and there stupid pathetic wedding

Here on MN usually on April 15th we have very sensitive, thought provoking, respectful,emotional threads about the Hillsborough anniversary. They are invariably a credit to MNers as one would expect.

Hopefully next year we can go back to that sort of thread instead of being shouted at by some ranter as if we were idiots. (the irony.....)

I dont like the imnplication that we dont have a heart and no-one cares because the majority of people fail to see your rather angry link to the Royal Family.

OP - you are beyond distasteful to use a terrible tragedy like the Hillsborough disaster to have a pop at the monarchy.

And you got the location wrong as well. Epic FAIL!

Mike, fine, you don't give a flying welly about people you didn't even know and you'll thoroughly enjoy the wedding (not that there is any link between the two anyway) Thing is; if I don't care about something I don't even give it enough headspce to actually type about how it bothers me not. At the point you made your comments at least two posters had said they were personally affected by Hillsborough so it makes it seem even more crass. Your prerogative of course.

I think that considering football has a history of it's fans causing trouble and rioting etc (lets face it - they still do it now! Look at Manchester a couple of years ago) then it's understandable why the police acted like they did - obviously I'm not saying what they did was right just that it was understandable.

My mum and my grandad used to go to football matches when she was a child in the 60s and 70s and she remembers my grandad always made a big deal of getting to the front of the crowd so that he could stand her in front of him, with his arms either side of her. Then he would hold the barrier so he could stop the crowds crushing her. She said that a tragedy like that was inevitable and is surprised it didn't happen sooner simply because of the way the stands were designed with no seats. You still get the same "crushes" happening at music concerts and it's terrifying, if you are right in the middle of the crowd you can't do anything but go forward too. I've also been to a rock show where it got so bad that the main act had to stop the show and tell the crowd to move back and stop pushing because everyone at the front was getting crushed.

OP there were a number of contributory factors involved on the day including poor crowd management and control by the police, the FA's choice of ground, Sheffield Wednesday FC for poorly maintaining the standing end, lessons not being learned from the Heysel disaster 4 years prior, and no doubt many many more.
I don't think labelling the police as 'murderers' is at all appropriate.

Nothing to do with a wedding - get over it and focus on your mourning.

Nobody has called the police murderers, well, not those that actually know what happened. Duckenfield had no experience of crowd control, he panicked - understandable but if you witnessed a person in urgent need of medical help - IE they were going to die if you did nothing, like call an ambulance when you had the means to do so and that person died, that would be wrong, illegal I would think.

He could clearly see what was happening in those pens, it was later found the CCTV was so clear you could see the time on people's watches. More than 40 ambulances with life saving equipment were outside Hillsborough, only one got onto the pitch. The police wouldn't let them onto the pitch because they were still saying "pitch invasion" - when the man in charge knew it was anything but, he refused to give the order because it would prove he cocked up. He let people die to save his own skin. Manslaughter, no? Police working there on the say have come forward to say they were told to change their notes of what happened that day, bereaved families being aggressively asked (within minutes of identifying their loved one, dead on a gym floor) if their lost relative was pissed. The fans who in the midst of massive tragedy and often injured themselves trying admirably to do the job the paramedics should have been allowed to do later accused of pissing on the dead and stealing from them. He walked away on full pension. 96 people, 96....

Innocent victims and bloody heroic actions sullied like that to detract attention from the fact the police fucked up bigtime. But hey, they were only Liverpool fans.

Do I think it is reasonable to be angry at the Royal wedding over this? No.

Do I still experience jaw dropping shock at the lack of awareness over what actually happened and some of the comments on this thread where people have raised their own, painful experiences? Yes.

96 people died. Crushed to death. And not troublemakers ShineyMoon but children, and families who had got there early to get a place at the front.

Murder is clearly too strong a word, used on a day when for some emotions run high. But the police were culpable, and made some awful choices that directly contributed to those deaths. All 96 of them.

I went back to Hillsborough a few years ago, with my family members who had been there that day. We sat in the Leppings Lane end. We won, and it was a great game. But what stays with me is not the result, but rather the sight of the number of people who 10 minutes after the final whistle were still sat there, unable to join a crowd to leave.

You can chose not to care. Everyone has a personal tragedy in their life, and I get that they can't all be marked all the time. But if you have ever been to a large sporting event , or experienced crowd management at a gig, you owe a part of your safety to the lessons that were learned and Lord Justice Taylor's report.

This is why it needs to be kept in the public eye. There is still so much woeful ignorance about what really happened. The truth they tried to (and sadly seemed fairly successful in doing) bury is more shocking than is even comprehensible, even moreso that to this day myths still abound.

How many people do not enjoy Boxing day just because 250,000 people died in the boxing day tsunami? Not many I should imagine
This disaster only effects people whe lost loved one or who where there. Even though it was very sad why should I who do not know anyone who died share in your greif

The royals aren't expecting anything of anyone. It's the media hyping it.

I can't see what the one has to do with the other though.