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R.I.P to the 96

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charleneanne · 15/04/2011 18:08

Stuff the Royal Wedding more important to remember is the 96 innocent people that died at Anfield after the disaster struck spare a thought for those and their families instead of the stuck up twats and there stupid pathetic wedding

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wook · 15/04/2011 21:13

But isn't the difference with Hillsborough the fact that the truth has never been revealed, and therefore it's the fight for some answers and justice that makes the need for recognition of the date each year more important? It can't be allowed to just fade out of the public consciousness because then there would be less pressure for the truth? I'm not sure but I think that is one of the reasons for wanting the date to be remembered- it's not out of mawkishness.

thebestisyettocome · 15/04/2011 21:13

The point the Hillsborough families would make on the issue of continuing to mark the occasion is ( as I've already said) that, there are many, many questions that need answering. Continuing to remember the event is more about this than anything else.

thebestisyettocome · 15/04/2011 21:15

X-post with wook.

MeRightYouWrongMeBigYouSmall · 15/04/2011 21:20

Two points...

Royal Wedding is a completely separate thing

It was Hillsborough, not Anfield.

Having said that, Justice for the 96. x

AimingForSerenity · 15/04/2011 21:27

It is dreadful that these poor families have had to fight so long to get justice for their loved ones and it shames every government we have had since 1989 that they have allowed this to continue.

It is abhorrent to me that those police who possibly caused, probably aggravated and definitely covered up the events of that day have been allowed to retire on full pensions and the journalists who lied have also slithered away. I hope these people will get their just desserts when the truth (whatever it is) finally comes out.

I don't really agree with the OP linking it to the royal wedding but it would have been nice to see a little respect from the media for the 96 today rather than the endless trivialities. Having said that, with the Murdoch empire expanding as it is, our chances of seeing honest and rational reporting are probably shrinking by the day.

ilythia · 15/04/2011 21:37

I lived in Liverpool for a few years and was shocked by the amount of people who were related to one of the 96. Liverpool is such a small city and it affects people there every day.
I was educated by some of the most lovely, friendly, kind and big hearted people I have ever had the privilege to know about what happened that day and what the Scum did. Awful.

RIP

JFT96

YNWA

lilyliz · 15/04/2011 21:42

My birthday is 7Dec,Pearl Harbour day do you think I should not enjoy my birthday because of this GROW UP WOMAN.

Upsy1981 · 15/04/2011 21:47

I have to say I am shocked by the lack of media coverage today. It seems that the media have somehow decided that now we are 'over' the 20th and 21st anniversaries that it is no longer such big news. I personally know three people who were present at Hillsborough, although thankfully no one who was seriously injured, or worse. I have seen the effect that the tragedy had on those people, lasting to this day.

I have just watched the 20th anniversary footage again with the response to Andy Burnham's speech. Seeing the fans chanting 'Justice for the 96' makes me well up every time.

Not sure on the connection to the wedding though.

JFT96

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charleneanne · 15/04/2011 21:56

ChairOfTheBored exactly just for onr day could they not have not mentioned the royal family but you see me and my hubby are the lucky ones you see he had a ticket for that match but he was so ill in bed he couldnt go so he gave the ticket to a friend the last words my hubby said to him was stay safe mate

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thefirstMrsDeVere · 15/04/2011 21:58

I thought about them today.

I thought about their mums and dads mostly. Still missing their children long after they had been forgotten by others.

I dont see the connection between this and the Royal Wedding though.

The Royal Wedding takes place two days after the 5th Annivesary of my DD's death and I illogically hate the fecker who chose the date. That is MY DD's week.

So I reserve the right to mope about and chuck things at the tv on the 29th.
But everyone else can enjoy it/ignore it as they like.

Newgolddream · 15/04/2011 22:04

twirlymum - "I am sure in years to come, September 11th will pass without more than a passing comment. It's all relative."

I think you are sadly right, both about this and other well publicised tragedies. The people directly and indirectly affected will always remember and thats what important. I hope the families of Hillsborough find justice and peace, and I dont know enough to understand if they want it more publicised than it was.

For a lot of bereaved families they want to get on with their lives without the glare of the media, for example this years Dunblane anniversary March 13th (RIP all those wee angels and their teacher) was largely ignored, Im in the West of Scotland and I dont remember it being on the news here but of course I could have missed it.

But life does have to go on - and as much as I have little time for the Royal family William and Kate have every right to get married, and the media will report on it, like it or not.

Vev · 15/04/2011 22:06

I don't think anyone who was at Hillsborough that day will ever forget!

I remember watching it as the match started - it was asbolutely awful and unbelievable.

RIP to the 96. And I hope their families get justice.

wook · 15/04/2011 22:06

MrsDeVere my heart goes out to you.

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charleneanne · 15/04/2011 22:10

But how can the families start to rebuild there lives when the ones were responible for so many of the deaths such as the police will not admit to it there are so many unanswered questions

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thefirstmrsrochester · 15/04/2011 22:18

much love Mrs De Vevere

thefirstMrsDeVere · 15/04/2011 22:22

Thank you.
I dont want to make this thread about me though Smile
It just struck a chord.

op the victims of Hillsborough will never be forgotten. Their families will never ever forget them. I hope they one day get justice for their children/loved ones but it wont make the pain go away if they do.

But its really nothing to do with the Royal Wedding. I just dont the connection at all.

Newgolddream · 15/04/2011 22:23

charlene - in answer to your question I dont know is the simple answer, how can people rebuild their lives without what they want? But lots of people have to, its not a glib answer, but its either that or be perpetually frozen. No-one would ever say life would ever be the same again for them, but that doesnt mean they cant move on.

Hulababy · 15/04/2011 22:35

OP - I get that you want to remember those lost at Hillsborough on the anniverary of the tragedy. But you went about it all wrong. Why did you not just start a thread reminding people of the date ad why it was important to remmeber? Why did you have to tarnish that thought by dragging up another entirely unrelated and irrelevant news article (ie the royal wedding)? You messed up your thread as soon as you tried to relate the two.

If you really want to draw people's attention to the tragedy hat happened at Hillsborough then why not start a new fresh thread, focusing on the mainpoint, not dragging up some unrelated news with it causing peopleto question that aspect of the OP instead of the bit ou really want to focus on?

BTW - the BBC website does have references to the tragedy in the news sections.

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charleneanne · 15/04/2011 22:36

i just watched it on lfc channel and i cried so many young people died the families sitting waitin wandering then seeing the police walk up there path....they knew the papers not the sun i know we have not brought the paper since the lies but the other papers should have given coverage and symapthy to the 96 and there families NOT royalty

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fortyplus · 15/04/2011 22:50

The OP is just having an anti Royalist rant. She didn't even know that the tragedy took place at Hillsborough - what an insult to those who died and their loved ones to jump on the bandwagon like that Angry

I don't give a toss about the Royal Wedding - in fact I'm going away for the weekend in the hope that everywhere will be as quiet as it was on the day of Diana's funeral - but I would wish any young couple getting married a happy future. William and Kate will have a tough enough time livining their lives in the media spotlight as it is - I wouldn't swap places with any of the Royal family for anything. The monarchy is an anachronism - I think it's actually quite inhuman that people live their lives in a gilded cage in this day and age.

fortyplus · 15/04/2011 22:56

einstein1 - assuming it's true that a late surge of people without tickets cased the fatal crush, the irony is that those who diied had legitimately arrived early and were at the front of the crowd.

The police then failed to react and thought that the rush forwards and people lifting others over the fence was an attempt to invade the pitch.

A tragic misunderstanding if you like - made worse by the fact that police used heavy handed tactics to tryt to stop the 'pitch invasion'. I think if this scene was unfolding before your eyes it would take a while to understand what was really happening.

Has anyone ever suggested that the police deliberately allowed people to die? I've never heard anyone say that.

Hulababy · 15/04/2011 22:59

fortyplus - from what I could gather from a later post the OP insinuates that they have a friend who died at Hollsborough, after her husband gave him his own ticket as the husband was too ill to go himself. But yes, the fact that she says "at Anfield" in the OP is incorrect, but maybe written in haste? I hope anyway.

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charleneanne · 15/04/2011 23:03

yes i made a mistake but i was watching the tribute as i wrote big mistake yes my hubby should have been there yes he was to ill to go yes he did give ticket to friend yes he did die and yes we are lucky but my hubby will always feel responsible for his death how dare you suggest i was lying

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SomethingSuper · 15/04/2011 23:04

Einstein, I've been reading all the hints on other threads that you are 'the poster formerly known as DP', and frankly I can believe it; you are pig ignorant, stupid and I can imagine you're also a bit of a boot. Fuck off, love, there's a dear.

If you want to know what actually happened, feel free to research it - there's tonnes of information online, including the offical police reports.