to think that not everything has to be caused by a "Disorder"

[Bogeyface]

About all the posts on here with people saying "perhaps s/he has XX personality disorder"

Why can some people just be a fucking nightmare because....they are? Its really annoying that on most threads about an annoying, needy, selfish etc person, the OP is told that the person might have some form of personality disorder when most of the time they wont have!

If it must be done can some psychologist please discover the following

Demanding Bitch Disorder
PITA Disorder
Useless Wanker Disorder
Lazy Bastard Disorder
Selfish Arsehole Disorder
Simply Not A Nice Person Disorder
I Like To Label People With A Disorder Disorder

Blimey I've just read back...this thread went way off topic!

The OP was talking about people chipping in on threads and suggesting disorders with no background info.

I did suggest a personality disorder on that thread, I am in training to be a Health psychologist and have studied psycholgy on a post grad level so have some knowledge. To be specific and reading further that person probably has a narcissistic personality disorder

It's an interesting debate and still on-topic in a way. Are child-murderers for example plainly just mentally ill or simply evil? Or both? Something isn't right but should it be an excuse and how far should it be excused? Does it subtract from the other people with similar disorders who would never contemplate something like that and trivialise their difficulties and triumphs?

In the same way although I hate to make the comparison, but this is the way the debate has gone, there are a small minority of parents who use neurological disorders to excuse frankly shite parenting and DO collect the money and do nothing to help their children. And that reflects terribly on the majority of worried and responsible parents of children with SN.

could i ask what qualifications the OP has?

its just that my son has been seen by handfulls of psychologists, peaditricians, SALTs, OT, physio etc etc etc and yet they all seem to be in agreement.

My ex has also been seen by hundreds of specialists over the years, again all in agreement.

I was just wondering how OP is more qualified than what must be at least 50 other proffessionals with what? 100 years? experience.

Because i would very much like for my child to be "normal" and just be able to do some good parenting training instead. I mean if fixing my poor parenting skills will suddenly "fix" my son i am more than happy for the OP to train me.
I am also fairly certain that womankind would love for OP to work on my ex too. that way he wouldn't continue to beat and rape every female he comes into contact with, or be a violant paranoid with everyone else.

shit Op i just don't understand why you aren't a multi millionair by now.

Even the very 'evil' people e.g Myra Hindley, Hitler have a psycholgical disorder to cause them to be the way they are be it physical or psychological. Yes I do agree that some people are just nasty people, but its a way of explaining and rationalising the behaviour imo. Though I am not qualified to make a professional judgement, this is just from my experience. I do want to retrain and do the Phd in Clinical psycholgy with specific speciality in child psychology as my dd is in the process of being dx with ASD, social communication and speech and lang delay.

so i have a vested interested in it all.

You are not being unreasonable.

When did it become so un-PC to asmit that not everybody is a great persn and some people behave badly or anti socially?

Some people have personality disorders and other conditions, I don't think anyone's denying that or saying that they shouldn't be treated with empathy and given help.

But, statistically speaking, the vast majority of people do not.

I don't think the OP is arguing about cases diagnosed by professionals over a period of time, as in children with additional needs or adults with ME and the like.
I think she's commentating on internet diagnosis, and diagnosis by those with very little knowledge and a great deal of confidence in the rightness of their opinions.
In which case YANBU
Won't stop an avalanche of posts insisting that certain dx shouldn't exist, but that always happens.

where the hell did all this stuff about ADHD and ASD kids come into it??

the OP is talking about when somebody comes on ranting about some ridiculous behaviour they've been on the receiving end of and, instead of getting sympathy, they get told off for not having sympathy with someone who might have a personality disorder. That is ridiculous.

Nobody's children were doubted??

There do seem to be a lot of armchair diagnoses sp? going on on mn, at least that's the point I got from the op.
She was in no way criticising anybody that is going through genuine issues with what is going on in their lives.
Give her a break.

Read the thread Mamazon.

Why is everyone jumping on the OP like a tramp on chips?

the thread isn't 'all disorders are fictional never had ADHD when I was a kid'

calm down

Liking 'tramp on chips' though I've never heard it before and not actually sure what it means.

lol
like a tramp jumping on some left over chips

I agree with the OP. I've seen some extraordinary wild 'diagnoses' based on very little information or checklists which haven't been interpreted by someone who knows what they are talking about! Eg there is a well known much used psychological checklist for children which completely misses ASD.

Obviously, everyones personality is made up of different traits which only if entrenched and severe enough would constitute a diagnosis of personality disorder - and a whole spectrum in between.

I agree with the op I have bipolar and as a result I tick many of the boxes for PDs but I dont have one most mental illness symtoms can cross over so internet diagnosis is not the answer.

YANBU OP, I can see exactly what you mean, unlike some on here.

I get pissed off when I read a thread about some total twunt then you get people saying "oh maybe they have xxx".

My cousin is a selfish bitch and I can't stand her, she also lies about everything all the time. She doesn't have a disorder unless it is Please Everybody, Make Me The Constant Centre of Attention Disorder.

On a cosmic scale, everything is tending towards disorder, as is proved on a smaller scale by the state of our house.

YANBU I hate people doing this as well. My partner has bipolar and I have read people suggesting bipolar when it is obvious that the poster doesn't even understand bipolar.

I often wonder about the compulsion to pin labels on everyone, even after just one opening post lol

mind you, some of the parents on here do seem to have kids with HLS Syndrome ;)

YANBU.

It's "mental"!

I was diagnosed with a proper disorder by a psychiatrist and everyfink! It took session upon session with hundreds, nay faaaaaahsands of probing questions being asked and the questions are often meant in a different way to you might think if you just read them - hence internet diagnosis sucks the big one. On saying that though I can usually spot a fellow sufferer at 1000 internet paces should "she" list her symptoms or describe a little of her life (honestly).

Some people are just arseholes though. Some are selfish. Some are mean and spiteful.

I stepped away last night as I was getting a bit mad at people not understanding! Thanks for the replies from those that did get what I meant, and Triggles I see your point that occasionally there may be a genuine disorder that the OP may not know about and pointing them in the right direction could help, so point taken.

It just bloody annoys me when someone moans about their bitch MIL only to be told that said MIL might have a personality disorder based on one whinge by the OP! It takes an awful lot of investigation to properly diagnose a PD and even the experts get it wrong sometimes!

My feelings are that I may have a personality disorder, and that does make me more likely to behave in a certain way, but that I still have a choice to try to go against that. So it might be a reason for certain things, but it is not an excuse.

Agree with siobhanagain - does anybody in the real world actually have a "perfect" personality? We all have some unfortunate traits, but as with everything, it's a question of the extent to which these "traits" rule our lives and affect those around us. Only a qualified professional can diagnose a PD, but when someone asks for advice on an open forum such as this, everyone offers their advice based on their own personal experience - they are just generally trying to help an OP make sense of a situation. Having a particular disorder yourself (or living with someone who does) does not qualify you to diagnose other people with the same disorder (and that statement is not directed at anyone on this thread, so please don't take offence), but does mean that you may have useful insights to share when you recognize that someone may be in a similar situation to you.