They're coming into our country and they don't even have to register to claim benefits now

[bupcakesandcunting]

Not the words of me but of Alf Garnett my mother.

I feel that she has reached the pinnacle of twattery. AIBU to tell her to shut the fuck up with this? Honestly, it makes me so fucking angry, especially when it is punctuated with "I read it in the newspaper", like that makes it definitely true.

No-one would be telling them they aren't Canadian. Just that they aren't indigenous Canadian. My Italian father classes himself as British and his passport says as much but he is not an
indigenous British person. Can you not see the difference?

Oh fuck off catinthehat. You offensive moron.

Heh heh good one Shirls. Come ere and giz a kiss.

Of course I can see the difference but saying there are no truly British people is wrong, how long does a people have to live somewhere to be considered indigenous. If that's the case then no country except Africa has an indigenous people.

Go on then BananaGrabber.

What's the limit. in your mind?

My dd is English, she was born in Margate of all places. To all intents and purposes though, she is Belgian. It's what she knows, who she is. Us, as her parents, well WE are English. She isn't. The older she gets, the more the balance tips. Daddy has become "Papa". She has started talking french even at home. She is entirely accepted and no comment will ever be made.

Now think of this the other way round, say a child born in Africa or Poland and raised in England......Where does this "indigenous population" come from? It is bollocks.

You are misinterpreting indigenous. You can never be indigenous unless you are one hundred per cent pure of one race. This is fact.

Are you telling me now that White settlers in Australia are now indigenous Australians because they have been nationalised after decades of being there?it's ridiculous. The indigenous Australian people are the ones living like second-rate citizens in the bush. White people are no more indigenous Australians than I am an indigenous Martian.

I'm British, my DD was born in Canada, what is she? My DS's were born in the UK but all they know is Canada. Doesn't change that fact that i'm British going back for many generations.

So are Polish people indeginous to Poland, how about the people of Hawaii?? Why is it just us Brits that can't have an indigenous people. I'm not saying that people who go to the UK and become citizens aren't British btw, it's just the question of indiginousness (made up word alert) that bugs me.

I don't know what the limit is. I don't consider myself Welsh although I have no English blood in me. Am I English because I was born here and have lived here as an adult? My DS may well consider himself English although he isn't. Switch Welsh and Irish for Polish and Belgian and he could still consider himself English because it's the only country he's ever known. There is a fluidity about people's national identity and it isn't to do with where your antecedents come from as far as I can see.

Not entirely sure why anyone is rising to catinthehat? notorious piss taker extraordinaire (and actual poster who makes me piss. hmm, do I need to read the whole thread again? GOD how tedious)

Dunno Shirley. I do know I'm going to take my British/American/Belgian self to bed though :o

It's not just us Brits that can't have an indigenous people! Don't be so defensive! The Spanish are made up of Moorish/Berber/Roman ancestry, among others. There are loads of examples. There are very few indigenous peoples in the world. It's not just us Brits. We need to get over this as a country. This weird belief that we are an indigenous people being contaminated by foreigners is misguided and wrong.

Shut your blowhole Shirl that catinthehat comment was meant for me so address it to ME you daft cow.

Love you.

The inlaws once told me that they were going to vote bnp, don't really know what your meant to say to that?

Duh. ACTUAL DUH. that's aimed at you "BananaGrabber"

What the actual? I'm not sure what your point is? Is it that those who emigrate retain their "Britishness" and that those who immigrate retain their "Otherness"? because no one is arguing that point.

Without being rude you emigrated. Either you want to be part of the Canadian experience or you don't and you should integrate.

Oh, wait, you want to retain your roots? God, how unreasonable of you! God.

That's what I hate people who immigrate/emigrate who want to keep their roots. it's vile.

Oh wait.

In no way did I say we are being contaminated by foreigners. I haven't lived in the UK for 5 years, I am an immigrant myself, that's not my view at all. It just seems like we have to apologise for being British, maybe it's our colonial past I don't know. My children sing the Canadian national anthem every morning at school, the Canadian flag is everywhere, national pride is scoffed at in the UK.......I think we need to be proud in an inclusive way.

ShirleyKnot. I embrace Canada in every way and where did I say people shouldn't retain their roots, don't put words in my mouth.

Unfortunately, in this country national pride seems to go hand in hand with casual racism. Perhaps it needs to be reclaimed from the BNP crew?

BananaGrabber, she was being sarcastic. I think.

"It's not just us Brits that can't have an indigenous people! Don't be so defensive! The Spanish are made up of Moorish/Berber/Roman ancestry, among others. There are loads of examples. There are very few indigenous peoples in the world. It's not just us Brits. We need to get over this as a country. This weird belief that we are an indigenous people being contaminated by foreigners is misguided and wrong."

What are these few indigenous people? Why are they indegenous but British people not?

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

PLEASE SOMEBODY MAKE THE WHINING STOP.
And I've read the cheesecake stuff it is disgusting.

Good Lord.

No one has to apologise for being British FFS. I am PROUD when I go abroad. Proud that I live in a mostly tolerant country. Proud that we allow economic, moral, run of the mill migrants, proud that we provide for those who need international help, proud that I can get a broken arm sorted without a credit card, proud of most of it.

ASHAMED, deadly ashamed of the contingent of our society who believe that Britain should be for an imaginary "British"

Luckily they remain in the minority.

You want a face cheesecake cat. Don't lie

RobF - indigenous people are the ones who were on isolated land masses before other people invaded. Like the aboriginal people in Australia. And native americans. And probably a few south american people because it's too mountainous to travel much outside your area. But in Europe, there really is no such thing

Why can you not keep your roots just because you live somewhere else? I live in Belgium, but I am not Belgian. i don't even pretend to be. I make the effort to integrate on a day to day basis. I get no special treatment. If you live and work in another country then you have to do it their way...when in Rome and all that.

I think in the UK people go out of their way to be inclusive for other languages in a way you would never see in Belgium. I live in a Flemish region. There is a rule that the powers that be will only speak Flemish (Dutch). If you can't speak it, then you need to take someone with you who can. End of. It is a PITA. But then they have a good uptake for the free Dutch lessons.....

Who said you can't keep your roots, wasn't me.