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I can take it if I am, honest! (Long - sorry). Maybe more of a WWYD?

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 10/03/2011 12:30

I'm having a lot of what I think are small irritations with my ex husband and I need some perspective.

DD's are 12 and 9.

I've posted before about how he expects me to remember what he is doing with the kids and remind him

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1157907-To-think-my-XH-should-NOT-be-ringing-me-about-this

So, anyway, last week he was supposed to be picking the kids up after school on Thursday (as I work early on a Friday he takes them to school on Friday morning).

But it didn't suit him so he phoned me and asked if I would get them - which I did, I can do a good bit of stuff from home so I organised myself and collected them.

I'd asked him what time he'd be picking them up from mine at, he said 5.15, so I said "So, you'll give them tea then?" Obviously, he said yes he would.

To cut a long story short (coz this is long enough already lol) he was uncontactable on his mobile so I gave the kids their tea and he eventually turned up at 7.20pm

So this week he turned up on Tuesday to drop some stuff off, and DD1 realised she'd left some uniform things at his. He totally went off on one, kicking the kerb and shouting at me. I said "How did you not realise she'd gone in sports stuff from yours in the morning"

Again, to cut a long story short, it has transpired that he does not get up in the morning before DD1 goes to school, she gets herself and DD2 ready, they muck out horses, she makes packed lunches for them and then she gets the bus to school. He then gets up in time to take DD2 to school.

He has also gone back on a promise he made to DD2 to go to a show she has on Saturday night.

So, WWYD? I need to get him to turn up on time or call me if he's going to be late.

And I am very unhappy about the kids getting themselves up and out in the morning.

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itisnotgoingwelltoday · 12/03/2011 10:43

He's wanted 50/50 since we split and he lauds himself for how much he has them but forgets that I do all the activities and I can work from home and my holidays pretty much fit their holidays so I keep them almost all the school holidays!

I am pretty certain he'd expect ke to take them to appointments.

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diddl · 12/03/2011 11:22

Well, it sounds as if he wants it but wouldn´t/couldn´t manage it tbh.

What do the girls think?

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 12/03/2011 11:29

Well DD1 doesn't want him to take her to the appointment because "he won't ask any questions mummy"

DD1 doesn't like getting the two of them ready. She also is starting to kick off about going to church.

DD2 is more compliant - well for now anyway !!

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kittybuttoon · 12/03/2011 11:57

When it comes to medical appointments for young girls, I'd say you're probably the best person for the job, would you agree?

I know it is arrogant of him to assume you will make all the arrangements, but I'm betting you and your daughter would rather go together? Maybe he even realises that.

I also know that all these little things mount up, and are very, very annoying. But equally, apart from the safety of the kids in the stables, they don't really add up to the acts of a master criminal, just a run-of-the-mill jerk.

Choose your battles, is my advice, and try not to let him rile you. Don't get bogged down with the details - concentrate on sorting out the big stuff. In HIS head, he is being very responsible be emailing you the details of the medical stuff.

I'd also counsel letting him and your daughter sort out the church thing together without your input. At her age, she could be encouraged to make her own decisions and explain them to her father. You can support her without actively joining in on one side or t'other.

diddl · 12/03/2011 12:48

"When it comes to medical appointments for young girls, I'd say you're probably the best person for the job, would you agree?"

With this father, maybe so.

But bloody hell-what a statement!

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 12/03/2011 12:51

Well at least I'll be on time which is doubtful with him lol

It's an orthopaedic appointment to do with a bad leg break she had 3 years ago - and before I get jumped on again she fell up the stairs getting onto the school bus!!

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solooovely · 12/03/2011 12:55

"When it comes to medical appointments for young girls, I'd say you're probably the best person for the job, would you agree?"

If it's about her ears or something then I don't see it makes any difference!

solooovely · 12/03/2011 12:56

Sorry didn't see it was about her leg, point stands though!

diddl · 12/03/2011 13:12

Lets hope that no single fathers ever have to take daughters for periods or the like!

kittybuttoon · 12/03/2011 14:11

Nothing against single parents of any gender. My own Dad was a SP (widower) and he really missed my Mum when it came to doctor stuff, thassorl. So did I.

I meant it would be normal for a Dad to assume that a girl would want her mum with her if she was having a medical exam. He's not a villain for assuming that.

Didn't know at the time it was a broken leg, but I'd still rather have had my mum there, anyway.

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 12/03/2011 15:16

Oh I wasn't thinking like that.

He is just not the sort to make an effort, put himself out iyswim?

And I've always done that stuff.

But I'd just like for him to parent

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diddl · 12/03/2011 16:31

But what if you couldn´t make the appointment, OP-would he do it then, or is it more of feeling that it´s a "woman´s job"

I mean for most parents, taking a child to an appointment wouldn´t be putting ourselves out-just parenting!

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 12/03/2011 17:11

Diddl - definitely my job!

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WhatsWrongWithYou · 12/03/2011 17:35

FWIW, my 13yo gets herself ready, as does my 9yo pretty much, although I sometimes feel generous and make bacon for everyone. But the difference is that I'm there. I'm washing out their flasks, heating up their meal for lunch, assembling the lunch-boxes.

DD often helps with this if I'm running behind, or she might assemble them by herself if I've got an emergency like a button to sew on(!), but again I'm always there so it's companionable and we're getting the job done together.

I often get one of the boys to walk the dog if he's up early, or there might be another little job he'll do.

Nothing wrong with DCs helping but it sounds as if he's piling things up for them to do because he cba - maybe they're handy females to carry on the looking after of his lordship?

Not nice imo - but I can't advise on what to about it I'm afraid.

WhatsWrongWithYou · 12/03/2011 17:41

Gosh sorry OP - I think I posted after the second page, hadn't realised there were 9 pages and so much had gone down! Blush

thumbwitch · 12/03/2011 22:50

I do get the impression that if itsnotgoingwell stood her ground, or couldn't make the appointment, then her H would default to the other skivvy woman in his life, his own mum, rather than put himself out in any way for his DD.

I know it's a PITA Itsnotgoingwell, but since you will be the one taking her to the appt, by default, it probably is best that you make the appt too or he'd make it for some bloody inconvenient time and then you'd only have to change it. Do get the address changed at the hospital when you go though - that way the letter will come direct to you next time and although you will still be the one dealing with it, at least you won't get that sense of irk that comes from your exH devolving any responsibility onto you.

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 13/03/2011 10:20

Thumbwitch - yes he would get his Mum to take her!

I just feel shafted - and I was out at the thing with DD2 last night, watching her perform and he wasn't there and she looked for him - she said "I was hoping Daddy would still come"

That upset me. Sad

She got a lovely certificate though, and a trophy, and a hoodie - but the hoodie is the smallest they do and she's so tiny that it's hitting her knees Grin

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edam · 13/03/2011 10:41

Agree with whatswrong, the point about mornings is not that the children get themselves washed and dressed and ready the point is there is no conscious adult in the house supervising. That is neglect and sheer laziness. He doesn't have to put their clothes on for them but he DOES have to get his lazy arse out of bed. Fucker.

Tortington · 13/03/2011 13:02

yeah andd get him to look at this site for some good pcked lunch stuff lazy fuck

thumbwitch · 13/03/2011 13:02

oh FFS, itsnotgoingwell - that man!! Your poor DD. I mean, how hard is it to go to your child's concert (or whatever it was) - show some love, concern, support, that kind of thing - and he fails again on a massive scale.

Well let's hope that when neither of your DDs want anything to do with him that he starts to realise the error of his ways and regrets his selfish-bastard ways. Not holding out too much hope of that, sadly. :(

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 13/03/2011 14:40

I've written about 4 different replies here and deleted them all.

Sad

First off, my DP was texting me last night - he didn't go with me to the performance because we were trying to be tactful (back at the beginning when we thought XH was going) and he said "And he will wonder in 15 years why he hardly sees them"

Sad

And I just lost it with the two girls and I shouted Sad Sad Sad

I have had a stinking flu and I feel like crap - temperature, nose is actually bleeding, green gunk in chest, all that.

I work full time hours (although I can work from hoome some of the time) and I am also doing an additional qualification through work, which I have stuff due tomorrow - I've not finished it yet.

DD2 has been whining and whining and whining about needing this special sort of hockey bag to keep your kit in too. I said we would get it, but we went yesterday and JJB didn't have any left.

She whined and whined more and I gave in and said we could go to another local shop today and see if we could get it.

So, told them to clear the table after lunch and we would go. And take their stuff out of the kitchen, the stuff they'd just dumped.

I was working on the stuff for tomorrow, they came in and said they were ready lets go etc etc

Went, bought bag, happy child, came back, kitchen a bombsite. I went to fill kettle before starting the clear up and I knocked over a glass which was perched on the work top. Broke glass, of course. End up clearing up, in tears and have shouted at the two of them.

At the end of the day, when they are at their dad's they are doing tons, and I can't even get them to empty the dishwasher and clear the table. Sad

AND DD1 thinks she's having a pal for a sleepover on Wednesday night and her bedroom is a midden.

So I shouted

Sad

And I feel like the worst mother ever.

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notmyproblem · 13/03/2011 16:13

Lurked on this thread since the beginning.

OP, I feel for you but I think you have to stop caring about this stuff as much. Easier said than done, I know. But it sounds like you have a great DP now, your girls are well on their way to becoming lovely young women, they are happy and well-adjusted, your life may be tough at times but you've got it under control and you're staying on top of all that it involves -- working, raising kids, being civil to your EXH, etc.

So ultimately look at the long run and the big picture and admit to yourself all these arrangements are only for another handful of years at most. And your girls will realise over time if they haven't started to already who cares for them and who doesn't. If their dad treats them like handy female skivvies, they will see right through that without your help. The church thing, the fact that he doesn't do anything with them, doesn't actively parent them or care about what they do will not go missed by them in the long run.

In terms of the things that are safety issues, by all means address that. But be prepared for the response. If you say "the kids can't be alone mucking out stalls in he morning, it's too dangerous" and he says "well I'm not getting up to supervise them, so the ponies will have to go" then your options are either letting the ponies go, or getting out there yourself in the mornings to do it. So you either call his bluff or do the extra work yourself. If you're not ready to do either of those two things, then you have no leg to stand on here. He controls where the ponies live, he controls their care and by extension, he controls you.

For the rest of the stuff, as annoying and frustrating as it is, I think you just have to take the high ground and stop caring about him as best you can. Stop letting him get to you. Stop letting his behaviour direct yours (e.g., no more of this DP can't go to events in case EXH is there - that all ends, he does not deserve you to care about his feelings anymore!) The guy is just a jerk and unfortunately while your kids are still young, you're just going to have to deal with that. But you don't need to let him control you, you don't need to care what he thinks of you, you can laugh him off, rise above it.

I've said this several times on MN but "the person who cares the least about a situation controls it". You are getting screwed over by your EXH because he puts you in a position where you care more than he does about whatever's happening. So his turning up late - you care more, you get annoyed, he controls it. But if you stop caring more and just do your thing, suddenly he might start caring and then it the tables will turn. He will not like being manipulated like this, but currently he's manipulating you so I don't see an issue with turning it back on him Grin. 50/50 is his big thing, right? Start seeding the doubt in his mind that his 50/50 is a joke and watch how fast he starts to take it more seriously.

To do this effectively, you need to reduce how much you depend on him, and how many opportunities he has to control you. Probably not completely possible, but at least you can try, and in the situations where you have no choice, just accept it and let it go when he screws you over.

Hope this helps, half the battle is changing your own attitude towards him and freeing yourself. Yes, it's hard work and yes you're in for a few more long years with this idiot, but in the long run you will be happier. Good luck.

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 13/03/2011 16:29

Notmyproblem - thank you so much for that post!

You know what's funny - you've said almost exactly what my DP says! (You're not a slightly over weight greying vet in disguise are you?)

DP said if it comes to the bit then he'll see if he can get somewhere for the ponies - he knows loads of farmers after all lol. There's bound to be somewhere can do DIY livery for not much money I suppose - we were talking about it last night when I got in (On the phone he wasn't here)

He was so angry for DD last night - DP I mean - it was nice to see - which I know sounds weird but he hasn't got kids and even he gets it.

Small thing but I texted Xh last night and told him girls wouldn't be going to church with him today. He didn't text back or acknowledge the text but he didn't turn up to take them either so he obviously got it lol.

DP's attitude is that it doesn't matter if he tries to control me, he's going to have to give up in the end - the girls are, as you've pointed out, getting bigger and they can vote with their feet as it were.

(Still laugh occasionally about the Sunday morning they were at his and he rang me to tell me to sort out DD1 because she wouldn't go to church - I'm afraid I told XH it was his problem)

DP doesn't have a problem with the girls being around - we kept the relationship quiet in the beginning and then he started coming WITH us to horse events (ie coming in the car with us rather than just being there when we got there), so I suppose it's more my issue than his - I don't want him to feel that the girls are being foisted on him Confused

I'm not really making any sense, am I lol

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WhereYouLeftIt · 13/03/2011 17:17

itisnotgoingwelltoday, this may have already been suggested, I skipped over all the posts regarding horse-care as I know nothing about them and may have missed other stuff alongside.

In practical terms, would there really be much difference between your DDs being at your X's overnight and not seeing an adult in the morning; or being at home and you leaving at 7? I know that technically an adult is present at X's, for emergencies, but on a day-to-day basis your DDs would see no difference. Even if you are uncomfortable leaving them, you don't have to let X know that and could use it as a lever to get him to actually care for them in the mornings?

itisnotgoingwelltoday · 13/03/2011 17:27

Whereyouleftit - the problem is that DD2 needs taken to school in the car - there's no bus and it's too far to walk.

DD1 could walk to school from my house, and let herself out I suppose (although I wouldn't be comfortable with it) but DD2 has to be taken.

Thing is, it won't be like this come September - depends on my working hours, I've put forward the case with the girls with work and hopefully I won't get two early starts - might get one but hopefully not two

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