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to think that being "un PC" is not the same as being a C*NT

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penelopestitsdropped · 07/02/2011 19:32

some of the opinions posted are hideously ignorant, largly offensive show the poster to be a cunt.

it has nothing to do with polictical correctness or netmums fluffyness.

it is all to do with the poster being a total and utter wanker

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AtYourCervix · 07/02/2011 19:58

bollocks bubblewrapped.

penelopestitsdropped · 07/02/2011 19:58

the problem is that most right thining people have stayed away.

which has allowed the more ignorant to post at will.

the thread is disgusting

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Goblinchild · 07/02/2011 19:58

There's an exodus of regular posters from the sn board, some of whom are leaving because of the amount of vile crap being spewed out by some posters on humorous threads.
It's like listening to someone you quite liked get pissed at a party and say what they really think, and have thought all along.
All the time you thought they were quite a sane human being.

LeQueen · 07/02/2011 19:59

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usualsuspect · 07/02/2011 19:59

Has peachy really gone? ...thats terrible shes a fantastic poster Sad

edam · 07/02/2011 19:59

It's not just individual posters who don't have a clue that people with disabilities are actually human beings with the same rights as everyone else. It's the ruddy courts too. Apparently the human rights act provisions on the right to respect for family life doesn't apply to people with LDs...

"Telegraph 5 Feb
Court bans man with low IQ from having sex
A man with a low IQ has been banned from having sex by a High Court judge who admitted the case raised questions about ?civil liberties and personal autonomy?.

The 41 year-old had been in a relationship with a man whom he lived with and told officials ?it would make me feel happy? for it to continue.

But his local council decided his ?vigorous sex drive? was inappropriate and that with an IQ of 48 and a ?moderate? learning disability, he did not understand what he was doing.

A psychiatrist involved in the case even tried to prevent the man being given sex education, on the grounds that it would leave him ?confused?.

Mr Justice Mostyn said the case was ?legally, intellectually and morally? complex as sex is ?one of the most basic human functions? and the court must ?tread especially carefully? when the state tries to curtail it.

But he agreed that the man, known only as Alan, should not be allowed to have sex with anyone on the grounds that he did not have the mental capacity to understand the health risks associated with his actions.

Under the judge?s order, the man is now subject to ?close supervision? by the local authority that provides his accommodation, in order to ensure he does not break the highly unusual order.

The judge concluded: ?I therefore make a declaration that at the present time Alan does not have the capacity to consent to and engage in sexual relations.

?In such circumstances it is agreed that the present régime for Alan's supervision and for the prevention of future sexual activity is in his best interests.?

It is the latest controversial case to come before the Court of Protection, a little-known authority whose proceedings are held behind closed doors.

Under the Mental Capacity Act 2005, its judges have the power to make life or death decisions for people deemed to lack the intelligence to make them for themselves ? such as ordering that they undergo surgery, have forced abortions, have life-support switched off or be forced to use contraception.

In the latest case, the man known as Alan was described as ?sociable? and ?presented as an able man? but who was ?seriously challenged in all aspects of his mental functionality?.

He lived in a home provided by the council, where he developed a sexual relationship with a man called Kieron by the court. Alan was also accused of making lewd gestures at children in a dentists? surgery and on a bus, although no police action was taken.

In June 2009 the town hall began court proceedings to restrict his contact with Kieron on the grounds that he lacked mental capacity, and an interim order was made to that effect.

?Since then Alan has been subjected to close supervision to prevent any further sexual activity on his part,? except when he is alone in his bedroom.

However he told representatives of the Official Solicitor, who acts in the Court of Protection, to tell the judge ?I want to kiss them again?.

Mr Justice Mostyn highlighted the fact that the court cannot prevent people from merely making ?unwise? decisions, and that a simple test can be carried out to see if a person is capable of consenting to sex based on the act itself rather than the proposed partner.

The judge said it requires an understanding and awareness of the ?mechanics of the act?, ?that there are health risks involved? and that sex between a man and a woman may lead to pregnancy.

He said that the psychiatrist thought Alan ?believed that babies were delivered by a stork or found under a bush?, and that ?sex could give you spots or measles?.

On that basis the judge ruled that Alan did not have the capacity to consent to sex, but also ordered that the council should provide him with sex education ?in the hope that he thereby gains that capacity?.

BuzzLiteBeer · 07/02/2011 19:59

saying cunt does not make me as bad as the cunts who make homophobic and disabilist comments.
Why are you afraid of the word? Hmm

Rhadegunde · 07/02/2011 19:59

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penelopestitsdropped · 07/02/2011 20:00

Yes Peachy has gone.

as have a great number of the intelligent articulate posters that made Mn what it was.

It is to MN's detriment that the witt and wisdom of these "oldies" is being lost in favour of such ignorance

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MadamDeathstare · 07/02/2011 20:00

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Goblinchild · 07/02/2011 20:01

No LeQueen, you are not.

AtYourCervix · 07/02/2011 20:01

DD says cunt regularly but according to some she doesn't exist.

stretch · 07/02/2011 20:01

Lenin, I agree with post 19:52. Sadly it seems the government have that sentiment (disabled people shouldn't be out and about)as well with the cuts to DLA etc..

MadamDeathstare · 07/02/2011 20:01

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LeQueen · 07/02/2011 20:02

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BeerTricksPotter · 07/02/2011 20:04

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LaWeaselMys · 07/02/2011 20:06

Cunt is a WORD and we are adults. It is in no way as bad as saying that medical conditions and those who have them should be treated like crap.

Have anyone that can brave it, been on and reporting posts? It does say in their guidelines bit that they've got 'low tolerance' for words that are derogatory to people with disabilities. So monged could get deleted to start. Angry

MrsRichardHammond · 07/02/2011 20:06

Hey look I'm sorry if my thoughts and opinions offend you but they are just that. My thoughts and opinions. I stand by my belief that a large number of ADHD and ODD diagnoses ARE invalid and due to bad parenting, i am not saying they ALL are.

I understand how it feels to get 'recognition' for a 'hidden' problem (try explaining to someone Fibromyalgia is a disability and deal with the looks then) but anyway. Sorry if i offended/upset anyone.

BuzzLiteBeer · 07/02/2011 20:07

No, someone who said it made us as bad as them, dunno who.

I like cunt, it doesn't get more expressive than that.

MrsRichardHammond · 07/02/2011 20:07

Although having re-read this thread it would appear that some more serious and severe posts appeared after mine (which was expressed on the first page or two I believe).

JaquesTouatte · 07/02/2011 20:08

I think you are being a little bit unreasonable. Received wisdom isn't always correct, and if it weren't for people prepared to challenge things, we would be in a worse state than we are. No-one on that thread has yet said that the Holocaust didn't happen, or that people with an IQ of below 125 should be put down.

penelopestitsdropped · 07/02/2011 20:08

i think that if many of those posts had been posted elsewhere on the boards they wold have been rounded upon and the threads deleted.

but under the guise of "lighthearted" it seems they are staying.

HQ are aware of the thread as they have emailed peachy abotu her leaving.

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BeerTricksPotter · 07/02/2011 20:09

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ambarth · 07/02/2011 20:09

The thread was good fun until the bigots took over with their extreme views on mental health/SN , motability cars and benefit claimants.

Wook · 07/02/2011 20:10

'I'm unPC' generally means, 'I'm racist and/or sexist, homophobic, disablist, and quite thick'
'I'm against all this PC rubbish' often appears to mean 'I am against one or all of black people, gay people, women, disabled people, and the people who would stand up for their rights'
So OP YABU because saying that one is 'un pC' is exactly the same thing as being a cunt in many cases.

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