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AIBU?

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to consider leaving my children for a year to study?

546 replies

secondcity · 06/02/2011 07:36

long-time lurker here. I am braving AIBU and am bracing myself for the onslaught....

I live in New York with my husband and children, We have been here almost two years and everyone is very settled......except me!

I have been offered a (fully-funded) post-graduate course in the UK in september 2011.

If I were to accept the course, I wouldn't bring my children, but I would aim to come back once a month, and they would obviously come to me for all the holidays. My husband is very capable and we would probably get some part-time childcare sorted (secondary aged kids)

I swing between thinking it would be absolutely fine, (their father used to work away for up to 2 months at a time!)to thinking what kind of mother would contemplate leaving her children.

Anyone have any experience or advice? Thank you

OP posts:
spidookly · 06/02/2011 11:41

bubble life doesn't work out the same for everyone - some people have children young and then study later, others don't know what they want to do until they are older, still others change direction as they mature.

There are as many reasons as there are people for why you might study after having children. I can't see any objection to that.

ThePosieParker · 06/02/2011 11:41

Trouble is they're not young child sakura...they're in their nearly teen years.

Erm....can anyone tell me the many jobs out there for post serving soldiers? Don't many go into the forces without too much alternative?

TheButterflyCollector · 06/02/2011 11:43

To the "no" camp - sometimes I wonder how children on lone parents survive, especially those whose absent parent really is absent in all senses of the word. Some of the comments on here are verging on divisive - e.g. PosieParker's "Yes, your dd really needs both parents, and especially her Mum at the onset of puberty". Are the children of the divorced, separated, abandoned and widowed somehow lacking or lesser in strength of upbringing and parental care and responsibility then? Do they fail if both parents/their mothers aren't at home every afternoon when the children come home? Hardly!

OP, children across the Western world and beyond are seperated from one or even both parents, be that owing to working in an office away from home, in the forces, study, divorce, abandonment, parental death or the children boarding out. I'm repeating what has already been said, but this is rarely such an issue for fathers. I can't tell you that your childen will be fine but I can tell you that those of the majority are.

Your children appear to have a supportive pair of parents and are not too young to comprehend. You've plans for a great deal of contact with them - more than many boarders or children of divorced/separated parents have - and you are going to do something which will set them a great example, bring you great satisfaction and enhamce the family finances in years to come no doubt. I hope you choose to follow your dreams and wish you good luck.

sakura · 06/02/2011 11:45

Hi TheButterflyCollecter, are you TheButterflyEffect by any chance??

Onetoomanycornettos · 06/02/2011 11:50

I agree TheButterflyCollector that there are loads of reasons why both parents aren't there. But those situations are problematic, and they do have worse outcomes! I say that as someone whose husband works away weekdays and comes back on weekends, it is disruptive and difficult and not ideal. I'm sure forces families will tell you how hard it is to integrate the 'away' partner back into the family when they return. In all these situations, divorce and separation are quite common, and at the very least, you have to have thought through how you are going to handle the separation and possibly temptations (chance would be a fine thing). I've found my children have definitely been affected, in terms of emotional stability and behaviour. It is doable, plenty of people do it, but is it desirable? I actually think being on your own, without instability, may be better, wondering when you next get to see 'daddy' is very destructive as those families will tell you.

TheButterflyCollector · 06/02/2011 11:50

No I'm not sakura, sorry. Is there another Butterfly in the house then? :)

noodle69 · 06/02/2011 11:54

'
Erm....can anyone tell me the many jobs out there for post serving soldiers? Don't many go into the forces without too much alternative?'

Theres always an alternative

canyou · 06/02/2011 11:56

Get a calender and fill in the term times for your course and the DC school,Add in the bank holidays/known days off both will have and if your DP has to take specific holiday periods off fill those in and you will see how much time off is there and weather or not is matches up.
I think it is a once in a life time opportunity, good luck with whatever decision you make.

PlasticLentilWeaver · 06/02/2011 11:57

Being in the Forces IS a choice. No one twists your arm to remain serving (or to join in the first place), and therefore to potentially have to go away to somewhere far more dangerous than the UK! There are plenty of women in the Forces these days, and therefore choosing to leave their children for extended periods of time.

If the post-grad course is going to lead to long-term improvements in your family's life, then yes, I'd do it. If it is just to fulfil a dream/whim then no, I wouldn't do it.

I don't really see that the age of the children has a huge bearing (other than if they were adult!). It can be argued that children need their parents at all ages from birth up until they leave home. At 11/12, they are old enough to understand their mother being away. With the wonders of modern technology, contact would be straightforward enough.

Compare it someone who (for example) works on the oil rigs, goes away for several weeks, and then comes home for a few days before departing again. Would that be unacceptable? Bearing in mind school holidays, they'll see plenty of each other.

Only the OP can decide whether it is right for her family at the day.

sakura · 06/02/2011 12:00

yes, two Butterflies.

Guildenstern · 06/02/2011 12:04

I have every sympathy for the OP. I think if you don't do it there is a fair chance you'll regret it and may feel some bitterness.

I think if it were me, I would look into taking the kids with me. Not necessarily putting them into a new school for a year; maybe getting a 'governess' for want of a better word to do a few lessons with them, maybe an au pair or someone to look after them while you are at uni. I am assuming with this that you'll be able to work quite short hours in uni and do the majority of your studying from home?

But I believe in home education so for me taking kids out of school for a year isn't a problem.

curlymama · 06/02/2011 12:06

I wouldn't do it, it's simply too far for too long. I spend a week or two away from my children every year and leave them with their Dad, but you are talking about spending a whole academic year away from them. You might see them at holidays, but that's not the same as being there for day to day life.

How can you possibly expect to be a good Mum from another continent?

NestaFiesta · 06/02/2011 12:07

YABU. 11 and 12 is too young. My parents divorced when I was 11 and it scarred me for life. Whilst we're not talking divoerce here, my point is that it is a sensitive age when children are finding their feet and their identity.

MY BIL left his kids to go to Oz when the eldest was 12 and my DN was heartbroken and its ruined their relationship. There's the feeling that he found something that was more intesresting than her.

If your kids were 15 and 16, then maybe, but 11 and 12, I just couldn't.

emkana · 06/02/2011 12:13

Im still wondering where the kids would stay? In uni accommodation or with your family?

animula · 06/02/2011 12:20

I'd say "do it". A year is not long, and holidays make it even shorter. Academic terms are, what, 8-10 weeks? It is a very small drop in the ocean of life.

Fwiw I studied away from home for a year, but I took ds with me, and left dh at home. That didn't work, it was just too hard.

I also think that some of the comments on here flag up, for me, the fact that life is a conunderum: How do we live? What choices do we make? How do we balance our commitments-to-other and our commitment-to-ourselves? all of which points back to the big question: What is life for? Only you, of course, can settle that: Your life must be lived as an expression of your idea of what life and its values are. You shouldn't try and live someone else's life, or you will just look back on the path you have lived, and see it as a weak, deformed thing.

I have to say, some women bunk out of that existential question by just saying "Oh, I have to live for and through the children." Obviously, for some, that is their existential choice, that genuinely is their highest value, chosen consciously, and with self-reflection. For some ... not so. They hide behind the role of "mother", as though they are hiding from the task of reflecting on life, and thinking, like it's a great big rock. "You can't see me ... I can't see you ... la la la."

I'm all for a full taking on of the role of mother. I, personally, think that is what I have done. And I don't regret it. But there is a world of difference between taking it on with thought and an intention to live joyously and courageously in that role, and taking it on as a rock to hide under.

So I suppose I am saying to you - whatever you choose to do, choose to do it with bravery, and don't choose out of fear and timourousness. If you don't take this course, stay in NY, and make your life marvellous; if you go, embrace the challenge, and recognise that you achieve what you do communally; with the support of others (particularly your family).

good luck.

not1not2 · 06/02/2011 12:26

Not all postgrad courses are 10ish weeks a year some are a lot longer.

TBH I'm surprised someone from overseas can get a fully funded postgrad course in the UK anymore, but TBH I'm surprised anyone can get anything.

Lovesdogsandcats · 06/02/2011 12:28

Don't agree with it.
Your kids WILL feel abandoned, especially your dd.
Don't do it, when they become adults they MAY look back and see why you did it, and they may tell you now it will be fine, but it isn't.

How would you have felt if your mother had moved out for a year?

spidookly · 06/02/2011 12:31

Seeing your children grow up is the ultimate "once in a lifetime opportunity".

Miss a year of their lives by choice?

No chance, nothing could induce me to do it.

not1not2 · 06/02/2011 12:32

I'm curious as to why you applied if you are asking this now?

Is this really your only option? is this really going to open massive doors if you've been out of action for ?12 years

for me I wouldn't do it, I've had a few days away ?3-for work TBH it was a nice break but I missed my dcs too much

countless · 06/02/2011 12:33

i haven't finished reading whole thread but..

my ds boarded from 12 in uk while we lived a 10 hr flight away, he either came home or we arranged vacations together for school hols. so i didn't see him for 6 week stretches, once a 12 week stretch which reduced me to a blethering wreck! all this without skype and irregular phone contact.
ds had gps he saw for weekend occasionally and loved being a boarder.

for your situation, ny to london is only 5hrs and if you can afford to factor in regular flights you will be able to see a lot more of dc than if away boarding

an academic year is only 30-36 weeks isn't it?

you may find it a lot harder when it's a reality but assuming your dh is as good a parent as you and that he fully supports your choice, you will all survive this 'year' and the kids may love spending time with you in london. you could plan a lot of fun things. eurostar trips to france, a ski trip, trips to english seaside towns.

ood luck!

countless · 06/02/2011 12:35

or good luck even

countless · 06/02/2011 12:38

excellent post animula

ZZZenAgain · 06/02/2011 12:40

it is quite a drastic change in your dc's family lifestyle so it will affect them in some way, defintiely. It will alter your relationship to your dc and their realtionship to you. Whether the change will be essentially positive I don't know but you do have to expect things to change and be prepared to cope with that. Also with dh I should think but perhaps to a lesser degree

animula · 06/02/2011 12:43

This thread is so interesting to read ....

My feeling is that it touches on the whole psychodrama of the maternal. Most of us arrive at this thread having enunciated ourselves through the heroic story of self-hood: We look back on our lives, and tell it like a Hollywood film, with a s/hero: ourselves. Our story, of the evolution of ourselves, takes place against a background, a gerund, of facts and material, whose significance is only donated according to its impact on that heroic story (of how we became ourselves) -- did it hinder us? did it enable us?; otherwise it is just "dead" matter.

For that "matter" to become autonomous is just too much for the story. The story would become un-tellable, preposterous, incomprehensible.

The most important matter in that story is, of course, the mother -- who birthed us, and who still in Western societies, takes on most of the role of parental, nurturing care. It is, I would say, still of paramount importance that she be, psychologically, inert, a gerund, a background. Her autonomy, her assertion of self-hood, as self, threatens to make the story go pear-shaped.

Hence the real psychic pain people can experience in the disruption of that narrative.

Of course, as mothers, we know the "secret" - that gerund requires a bloody load of work. Self-effacing work, necessarily. I think sometimes women can get quite upset at the prospect of autonomy in "other mothers" because they feel it will implicitly diminish and devalue the importance and significance of that work.

Cards on table - I think it is no longer feasible to expect women to do that work of the self-effacing gerund. If only because it is quite clear that the workerist discourses of late capitalism no longer permit it. It is therefore necessary that we start, now, the work of re-negotiating that story of self-hood to incorporate the (occasional) instances of the autonomy of the background - of mothers, in particular.

Also, just think, women have a history of having suffered under the weight of being the gerund. Women raising children knew that the male child would go on to the story of being Odysseus, the girl child to being Penelope. So they tended to donate quite different experiences of the gerund to those children. And I think we can say they had a different relationship with power.

We have to create ways of being both Penelope and Odysseus: for ourselves, and for our children.

Imo.

TheButterflyCollector · 06/02/2011 12:55

Looking back at this it occurs to me that there are a lot of YABU responses on the bases that other people couldn't bear to be apart fronm their children, which is a little unfair and beside the point. It's for the OP to decide that, not to be guilt-tripped by mothers who couldn't possibly leave their children for more than a week or so themselves. I get the feeling that in saying "I swing between thinking it would be absolutely fine, (their father used to work away for up to 2 months at a time!)to thinking what kind of mother would contemplate leaving her children." secondcity is fairly confident that her family will cope but is suffering enough from the fear of what others will think. The crux is surely not whether she's doing the right thing but how it will be perceived. Of course that perception and whispers of "how could the mother do that, poor things" behind their backs will affect her children too, but that's not her fault. Surely the aim is to raise confident children who in time read another thread like this and who scoff at the doubters, explaining how well they did when their mother was absent for part of a year during their teens.