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To be sat open mouthed at the Idiocy of Dave Camerons latest headline grabber

755 replies

penelopestitsdropped · 05/02/2011 11:59

Multiculturalism has failed

Now whilst i believe the debate itself has merit ( though think that DC has put a rather disturbing anti islamic slant on it)
I do not think it the wisest day to do so given that there is a planned march by the English Defence League (think BNP with more hair) today

march in Luton

OP posts:
LadyOfTheManor · 05/02/2011 21:55

I don't see how "religion" has anything to do with nationality.

What if a white British woman decided to wear a Niquab (Burka) take, Riven (a Mumsnetter) for example, she's white and British and chooses to wear it.

What would you expect her to do?

How else might one "fit in". I speak the language, I still don't fit in.

All the customs that go on Britain aren't always Britain's to claim.

LadyOfTheManor · 05/02/2011 21:56

You can accept beliefs but shouldn't be forced to embrace them.

For the tenth time, I'm not disclosing the region! It's irrelevant!

LadyOfTheManor · 05/02/2011 21:57

LMHF- Oh thank you for letting me a part of your society. I'm so grateful to be paying taxes to your government instead of my own.

LittleMissHissyFit · 05/02/2011 22:04

No need to thank me 'Lady', just as well I had nothing to do with the decision.

Personally I can't bear those that bite the hand and all that...

LadyOfTheManor · 05/02/2011 22:06

Bite the hand? That feeds whom? The people who claim benefits that my tax pays for?

Or are you implying that I "scrounge" from your country? (which indeed is mine as I'm British now :o )

nzshar · 05/02/2011 22:10

LadyOfTheManor the way you speak "I don't fit in" , " I'm so grateful to be paying taxes to your government instead of my own." shows to me that you really do not see Britain as your home, and therefore because of that your attitude will always show to others, no wonder you don't fit in. And I am not saying that you have to denounce your heritage like I said I will always be a New Zealander but Britain is home.

And ty LittleMiss :)

LadyOfTheManor · 05/02/2011 22:15

My point being- I speak the language, work here, support the economy, hold a British passport, yet I'm to be grateful to the people LMHF for allowing me to be here? I think not.

I would like a list of things that means someone "fits in". Everyone always says "immigrants should make the effort to fit in". How, what on earth should we they be doing?

ManateeEquineOhara · 05/02/2011 22:15

I wonder if all those who criticised LadyOfTheManor would suddenly be all-integrating if they moved to a place with a different dominant culture?

And never voice an opinion on it?!

Just because she says she doesn't 'fit in' doesn't mean this is a bad thing!!! I bloody hate that people cannot be accepting of each other's cultures within the same space. NOBODY should have to change their cultural beliefs and practices because of where they happen to be in the world.

nzshar · 05/02/2011 22:16

Not a "doing" thing Lady more an attitude is my point IMHO

BeerTricksPotter · 05/02/2011 22:17

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StarlightPrincess · 05/02/2011 22:18

Maybe by not insinuating that we're all dole scrounging two-dollar hookers? That's not exactly going to endear you to the British population...

StarlightPrincess · 05/02/2011 22:21

Manatee- That's why I wouldn't move somewhere that didn't fit in with my values and ideals.

nzshar · 05/02/2011 22:23

Well it isn't jingoistic shit to me its how I feel.

NotJustKangaskhan · 05/02/2011 22:23

Hammy02 How are head scarves a problem? I know many older British women who wouldn't be caught going outside without a headscarf as they were raised in a time in British society where all women wore headscarves. What about snoods? Those have great British heritage and worn by women of many faiths and none.

Seriously, what part of being British demands you dress a certain way? I thought being free to live as you wish as long as it doesn't hurt someone else and I do not see how my wearing a snood or someone else wearing a headscarf hurts anyone.

I'm sure we can come with better 'British values' than everyone must be able to see the hair on your head.

marmy55 · 05/02/2011 22:27

when i went to maldives, we were told in no uncertain terms before we got there what was and wasnt acceptable, and thats fine we abided by that, its their country.

just a shame not everyone feels the same - when in Rome etc etc etc

giveitago · 05/02/2011 22:29

Lady - if you're British and paying taxes to the govt then it's your govt too.

I think that Ladyofthemanor is actually DP. V similar and provocative posts.

Similar mindset.

ManateeEquineOhara · 05/02/2011 22:29

OMG!!! Do you guys really not think it is interesting to be around different cultures (when they are accepting of your own)!?

gordyslovesheep · 05/02/2011 22:30

what is so ruddy wonderful about 'British' culture? what is MEANT by that? roast beef, Jeremy Kyle, alcopops and morris dancing?

what IS the problem with headscalves?

what IS the issue ?

ManateeEquineOhara · 05/02/2011 22:31

Gordy - I think it must be queues and football hooliganism!

bringnbuy · 05/02/2011 22:31

none thinks you should drop or change your cultural beliefs, i certainly don't but the bottom line is this - most people that decide to uproot and go and live in a different country is because they love the vibe of that chosen country and want to go there to be a part of it. you seem to hate all that is britain apart from the odd chosen irrelevant thing, you speak with such pure bitterness and contempt for the british people. blimey, lord help us if that many immigrants really do share the same amount of contempt for the british people as you do. and yes, you should be grateful to the british government, all immigrants should as they have opened up their borders and allowed you to come here and make a home in a safe democatric country. i always show respect when i go to another country as i am a guest. i don't think muslim women should be made to not wear their head scarves either, not all english people think that. i think the problem however that alot of people that do have a problem with the traditional female muslim attire is that by their wearing such items it is a statement of rejecting our values and wanting to be a part of the british way of life. life isn't just about rushing around working, bringing up children eating sleeping. i don;t want to feel i am living in a transient place with total strangers passing through. i love the feel of a community that care about one another, who speak to each other and will look out for one another. i don't want to live side by side with people that hate me and shut me out of their lives because i don't conform to their way of living. i think you have said some awful things and shown some real disrespect.

gordyslovesheep · 05/02/2011 22:31

and Marmy55 what exactly WOULD you like to people doing that they DON'T now?

do you want all Muslim women to be forced to wear mini skirts?

All nuns to wear boob tubes?

what?

BeerTricksPotter · 05/02/2011 22:34

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gordyslovesheep · 05/02/2011 22:36

lashings of ginger beer as well I'll wager and compulsory viewing of Dads Army

NotJustKangaskhan · 05/02/2011 22:36

marmy55 But there is no one Rome to follow in the UK. There is a long history of variety in practically every way of life.

bringnbuy Actually, most people migrate for employment, family, or to keep their lives. Immigrating for pleasure is pretty much bottom of the reasons to immigrate. And I'm an American ex-pat who wears a snood, long-sleeves and skirts (and is not a Muslim). Just because I dress differently, doesn't mean I reject British values. For me it means my hair is incredibly frizzy, I fear skin cancer, and I find skirts more comfortable.

StarlightPrincess · 05/02/2011 22:39

Yawn. Wondered how long it would take for the bleeding hearts to come along.