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To be sat open mouthed at the Idiocy of Dave Camerons latest headline grabber

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penelopestitsdropped · 05/02/2011 11:59

Multiculturalism has failed

Now whilst i believe the debate itself has merit ( though think that DC has put a rather disturbing anti islamic slant on it)
I do not think it the wisest day to do so given that there is a planned march by the English Defence League (think BNP with more hair) today

march in Luton

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dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:01

an Irish one right? tut behave Grin

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:03

Newsflash Gordy - that is in the Western world that you share an office with a Muslim man - might not happen for you in Jordan!!!

gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:03

eh an Irish what? My father is Irish yes - he lives in Germany :)

MrsCrafty · 06/02/2011 22:03

I guess I am a facist racist bigot then. I am alarmed at the tolerance of Islam in this country.

gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:04

no exactly my POINT Dobie - Islam has many different variations and derivatives - My friend is not hard line or extremist

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:04

My perfect nationality in my perfect country!!! -is all I'm saying!!

gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:04

Tolerance in what way MrsCrafty?

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:04

or so you think..........

gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:05

Oh yes Dobie on that we agree !

LadyOfTheManor · 06/02/2011 22:09

Yes interesting mrs. How are/is you /Britain tolerant?

MrsCrafty · 06/02/2011 22:10

I am not going to get involved with this, I am not sure why I posted to be honest. Don't want to get banned eh?

LadyOfTheManor · 06/02/2011 22:11

I can understand, to a level, how the levels of immigration might become "intolerable". But a religion? What about British Muslims?

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:12

I agree mrscrafty - we should be a lot more suspicious of what is happening. The problem is real debate has been stifled by those that shout racism everytime anyone talks about muslims - for goodness sake they are a religion, not a race - fanatical ideology has no place in British society - the people of 1948 and thereafter should have looked at the destruction they were doing, I, for one, do not want to live under a caliphate!!!

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:14

Mrscrafty you won't get banned! why should you? everyone is still entitled to their opinion at the moment as far as I'm aware - give it another 20 years though and I won't be so sure - Glad I'm not a little English child growing up now!!!

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:16

Lady of the manor - are you saying that you are an immigrant who does not want to be around British people? Is that any British people or certain British people? Not really sure I understand what you are saying?

dobiegirl · 06/02/2011 22:16

Have I killed this fecking thread or what??? Grin

giveitago · 06/02/2011 22:17

Yup - very bloody wrong.

I'm of mixed origin and british - that's exactly what makes me british. My son is more mixed than me.

I'm old - I've been around and I'm content that we are here.

I don't buy into policital correctness as I think it's a bunch of people who have their own agenda and moreover I think it prevents debate on important issues and hence stops progress and makes racism more deep rooted.

I've noted over many years that people want mixed heritage people to not identify themselves as engish. I do take issue with that. Then what am I? German?My education and work experience is mainly here. Doesn't meant for a second I don't appreciate my background.

No chip - none at all.Just experience. But I'm fine - I'm middle class and educated.I had no issues that I couldn't deal with. I have no idea what it is to grow up in sink estate.

I hate racism and fight it where I see it and it's on the increase now. It's too easy to say it's from the same old people - my mum to this day tells me that she was nearly killed twice whilst pregant by the Irish in London who took great offence at my mum and dad.

It's nothing new. It's old actually. And those that think that it's all foreigners togehter againt the enlgish are (imo) absolutely niaive.

This climate is shite - we need a debate on immigration numbers (it's a bit late for multiculturalism now - we're already there) and then one on civil society.

I have my views and it's nothing to do with religion and nationality. I've lived abroad and I know I should act. UK is a bit softer and that's good BUT although I accept that everyone has their human rights I would never accept someone's human rights infringing on mine and that's where the problem lies (in my view).

The global economy and migration and the Uk's huge inequality means we have a very complex society. But we need to deal with it.

I think I represent the view of alot of people.

For me it's nothing to do with islam - it's about who's here - how many more people does the economy need and where to put them and get them up and running and contributing (that's all of us).

Let's identify where people really don't want to contribute and there will be consequences.

I'm married to an eu national - he obviously hates to be here on every level - that's his issue as opportunities were here for him and if he refused and still doesn't speak the language (inspite of people reaching out to him) then that's his look out. Sounds harsh but that's how it would be if I were in his country.

LadyOfTheManor · 06/02/2011 22:18

I am British. I am not from Britain. I refrain from certain aspects of British "life" or "culture" because it clashes too hard with my own.

On the other hand, I am a born again Christian even though I'm originally from a "Muslim" country.

BeerTricksPotter · 06/02/2011 22:18

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gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:18

fanatical ideology has no place anywhere - but A TINY minority of British Muslims fit that bill - as do some christians and people like the EDL

MrsCrafty · 06/02/2011 22:18

I believe that different people have different agendas.

I seem to remember people getting banned for talking about this.

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LadyOfTheManor · 06/02/2011 22:22

Wow Mrs, really? I'm pretty sure it isn't a "bannable" offence, talking about politics.

gordyslovesheep · 06/02/2011 22:22

anyway work tomorrow - night all x

I shall be helping people access employment, training and benefits - some of them may not be British Grin

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