to think that anynoe who believes in star signs is a complete numpty?

[bettybosseye]

I mean it's so clearly such a great stinking heap of horse shit, how can anyone actually believe it?
Another mum at playgroup today was telling me what kind of personality my 9 month old will have based solely on her star sign.
All pleasant enough stuff but she actually believed it.
What's wrong with people?

Perhaps I should clarifiy: my view of nutritional health is not that the food itself heals, it just enables the body to heal itself.

Bonsoir, you witnessed something but who knows what that was?

Appletrees your point is that the food helps the body to heal itself? Isn't that just called basic biology?

But if you take it more seriously, you think, as I do, that what you eat has significant impacts on mental health, chronic immune conditions, cancer and so on.

At some point, for some people, nutritional health turns into woo. I have no idea why that is.

Buzz, it's marvellous that you agree with all of this. I'm terribly surprised. Nutritional health practitioners have been called quacks. How refreshing.

Buzz - why would people pay a lot of money to have their pain relieved if it didn't work?

I don't believe that "faith healing" works. But I have seen people claim it does and pay good money to have it performed upon them.

when it stops having any basis in science and facts, thats when it turns into woo.

Bonsoir, well if we full understood that, we could all go home!

My opinion is a) a lot of people are idiots, and b) placebo effects can be very powerful.

That would be the science and "facts" as paid for by people with very little interest in natural healing: in fact a very large interest in natural healing being dismissed and ignored. Here's an example. Vit A and its role with measles. Now this is a very well known and well researched connection. We are supposed to have been under threat from major measles epidemics for about, I don't know, ten years? Yet when do we hear Vit A being recommended by the NHS, a GP, any official advice? Why let me see. That would be never, in my experience. Despite its record in reducing morbidity AND mortality.

On the other hand there are good studies about the effects of say zinc on concentration and mood.

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The nutritional healing thing doesn't sound like woo, despite it's orwellian title, it sounds like common sense to me. A million miles from star signs and the like.

Well measles isn't a huge problem anymore. Actually it wasn't, but since the woo-merchants starting riding the anti-vax bandwagon, its getting more of a problem, so perhaps we will see more advice about vit a. I'd rather they spent the money on increasing the vaccinations rather than nutritional advice for a disease our kids shouldn't be getting anymore, but thats just me.

"Natural healing"? What does that even mean? Vagueness is very woo.

Infact until very very recently there was no mention of vitamin d supplements for expectant mothers, despite it being generally agreed that scotland has the highest instance of MS in the world because of the low levels of sunlight through large parts of the year. Other countries that have similar climatse have their milk and bread fortified with vit d for this reason.
I think that might come under preventative nutrional healing.

I should clarify that it's thought that the mothers vit d levels in pregnancy are what's most important, although vit d supps through life if in a northern climate will still be beneficial.

"Well measles isn't a huge problem anymore. Actually it wasn't, but since the woo-merchants starting riding the anti-vax bandwagon, its getting more of a problem, so perhaps we will see more advice about vit a."

They've had ten years. I think they prefer to paint measles as a tremendously dangerous disease that is always around the corner in epidemic proportions to scare-monger people into being vaccinated. Just a wee hunch. And yes you're right, I guess a quite a few people must be idiots because they do buy it.

measles can be a quite dangerous disease.

And to be quite honest I think the medical and scientific profession has got better things to do than to tell people to give kids with measles some pate. Do you want to be spoon fed your "nutritional healing"?

Now you're starting to contradict yourself.

I prescribe a little zinc. And a bit of rescue remedy for the

Betty you are right, a great deal of nutritional health writing and research is preventative. I suppose healing is a misnomer there.

No I'm really not.
You can't get much more woo than rescue remedy by the bonkers Bach, who picked his "remedies" via a psychic connection to plants. So I'll just have the brandy without the water and woo thanks.

nutritional healing,sounds v wanky McKeith - eat well feel better.doh who'd have thunk it

yes you are but then, I'm not going to come round and forcefeed you brazil nuts for the selenium.

I don't do Bach. Though I can't work up the level of outrage you've managed.

That's the thing scottish -- people say duh, then they say it's woo.

Very odd

whats the thing.you lost me at woo and doh,yes quacks make a living out of sting the bleedin obvious

treat your body well,chose balanced diet dont eat shit is really elementary

Not really. Am not in the mood for you tonight Scottish. But it must be the first time for a long time. Usually quite the fan of your style, me.

People say doh because it is stating the bleedin' obvious. THey then say woo because it gets wrapped up in unnecessary wanky language like "nutritional healing".
But i suppose if you bamboozle people you can charge more.

I think you're missing the point. The basics is duh, the flowery crap you attach to it is woo. Perhaps you need a greggs sausage roll? I prescribe a creme egg and a fruitshoot as well, then maybe you can tell the difference between outrage and mild irritation.