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...to want to never, ever see my step-daughter again as long as I live?

260 replies

IrisMurdoch · 24/01/2011 16:02

The worst thing is...my dp says he doesn't want kids with me because it would be 'too complicated' eg I've had my two kids so I'm OK and my daughter has also told me not to have any more kids! So instead of having a family of my own, I have to put up with his awful children for the rest of time. Anyone been in a similar plight and found a way through? Thanks so much, Iris. Sorry that I sound like a child-hating cow.

OP posts:
monkeyflippers · 24/01/2011 17:04

Have you tried teaching her the right way to interact with people? In a nice way obviously. Like saying "when you say that about so and so it doesn't sound nice". "You should try saying "hello" when you are introduced to knew people otherwise they won't want to talk to you" etc

happyscouse · 24/01/2011 17:05

I had a Stepmother like you. Our mum died young and left four young children. My dad remarried quite quickly,from day one she made our lives a misery.She was insanely jealous of our late mum and i can't help but wonder if this is what lies behind your dislike for your stepdaughter? Be honest everytime you look at her is it that you are reminded of his once love for another. Your stepdaughter is eleven...eleven for gods sake ,reading your comments I don't think you will change so go and leave them in peace. By the way, for balance i have known some people lucky enough to have fabulous step parents.

SenoritaViva · 24/01/2011 17:05

Iris - wish you had given full information to begin with (and maybe had a softer title).

It does sound tough; I am not here to judge you. Do you think that she has a problem? I am not an expert, but she may actually require a little help and support. Though, judging from you DP's reaction I don't suppose that you can bring this up or suggest it. Do any of his close friends find this of her and can suggest anything to him? If she gets support to work through issues it might help in the future and be in her best interests.

I do think though that if this is such an issue within your relationship and cannot be resolved that in the end it might be what drives you apart.

corygal · 24/01/2011 17:06

I've just read your last post and DSD sounds a bit troubled, to be frank.

Aggression, rudeness, and spite aren't acceptable in volumes this high. Other people flee and she's doing herself no good either.

Regardless of whether calling a child awful is, er, awful, DSD sounds like she needs a touch of counselling. Not a) being allowed to get away with it - thanks, Dad b) being rejected, which is what she's at risk of from you.

She's eleven - high time to tackle it. You'll probably be attacked for suggesting she see a counsellor but if you can get away with it, I would try, for DSD sake.

But if it turns out the only people DSD is filthy to are you and your family, then, er, that's a problem for you.

Lamorna · 24/01/2011 17:07

I read the OP and can't believe that you are serious. Shock
If you love a man with DCs, you get the DCs for life, they are part of him.
The warning bells should go off for him and he should stop seeing you. It doesn't matter that you don't get on, you are the adult and it is your job to find a way. If you can't you walk away.
You can't have the man without the children and any man who would give them up for a woman wouldn't be a good choice of partner.

kepler10b · 24/01/2011 17:08

YABVU. "should you split up with someone you love because you don't like their children"?

if you don't love their children yes you should. it's not fair on the children at all. you had the choice to enter this relationship. they, poor loves, did not have that choice. i'm one who believes you marry the package, not just the partner.

Lamorna · 24/01/2011 17:08

No child is awful, they can be difficult through life's experiences.

ChinaCup · 24/01/2011 17:19

So you've been with your partner for 3 years and you don't live together, he doesn't want to have children with you (not unreasonable given that you already have 3 children between you) and you hate his daughter? I don't think your relationship is going anywhere and I think you need to find a man who is prepared to give you what you. want

Aussieng · 24/01/2011 17:20

Why on earth would you post this on AIBU and not on the step-families board?

TBH even the step board on mn can be hard going so i would second nell's suggestion of childless stepmothers (don't mind the name, many do have children).

I would just note that there is another thread at the moment where the OP is pointing out how difficult she finds her 11 year old DD and she has received a lot of sympathy and is NOT being vilified for how sher feels. I do think that the tone of your OP was unfortunate (I realise that you probably needed to vent) but think it is a shame that you would never get the same kind of sympathy/support as a bioogical mother on MN having difficulties with their child.

marantha · 24/01/2011 17:20

Why do you have to put up with them for rest of time?
You're not married and have no children. Why don't you just get out of it?

Ashamedandnamechanged · 24/01/2011 17:22

I'm just guessing here, and may well be wrong, but I think that probably he's waiting for a better offer from someone who isn't selfish and spiteful. Why on earth would he want more children with you? All that would achieve is a bigger divide between his first children and yours. You will make him choose. He is probably scared that you will have favourites amongst your own children, or ask him to. No woman (and certainly not you ) is worth damaging your children over. He sounds very sensible, his only fault being that he is with you at all.

Loved the Grimm character comment, I'm thinking there might be more to this...

marantha · 24/01/2011 17:23

She's not even your stepdaughter FFS. She's your boyfriend's daughter.

pagwatch · 24/01/2011 17:23

The child sounds as if she has problems with social skills.
Whether she has aspergers or asd or is just troubled or unhsooy - whatever - it seems a shame to me that you and your teacher parents and friends all meet her and agree that an 11 year old child can be strange and awful.

I don't think many children that young, and you talk about this as having been the cas for several years, chose to be disliked. She has learnt behaviour or behaviour arising from distress or from a condition.
It really doesn't matter. She needs consistent, firm, caring support.
Your bestvresult would be to assist with her getting that. Rather than standing on the side lines calling her names.

Fwiw, I think you should re post elsewhere. This is not a good place to post such a hostile op about a child, however earnest your clarifications

FabbyChic · 24/01/2011 17:29

You have known this man three years, so you have had three years to bond with his children, you should at least care for their wellbeing.

Nowhere is it written that we have to like our partners children. Sometimes you have to tolerate.

She may well be a troubled child, you are either going to have to put up with her, or reconsider your relationship with her father.

mathanxiety · 24/01/2011 17:30

"I have known dp and his children for many, many years and she was exactly the same when she wasn't a tween. Yes, she has no social skills and comes across as extremely rude, but she is also cursed with a terrible superiority complex. She is unkind to people and ridicules them. She doesn't have 'strops' but she is quietly manipulative and can turn the mood of a day so that everyone has a rotten time.
She just isn't very nice. Why is it OK to say that about an adult, but if you say it about a child it's DREADFUL? Some people aren't very nice."

Because you are supposedly an adult and supposedly above it all and able to step back and stop taking it so personally and not object to every fibre of a child's being. She's not "people", she's a child*. You don't judge a child by the same standards you would apply to a colleague or another adult. You are coming across as incredibly immature. That is what is dreadful.

'I can live with her not being very nice, the issue is her father and how he handles it, isn't it? He goes mental at the idea that I don't want to spend every other weekend with him and his kids, rather than just calmly being able to talk about it. He makes excuses for her and says she is absolutely fine with 'other people'. My family and friends have all met her and found her the most strange and rude child they have ever met (my parents were in teaching for decades) They feel sorry for me for being in this situation, I am not regarded as a terrible ogre. PS I don't call her 'awful' to him. Or strange.'

OP, there is no hope for this relationship. The issue is that you and this man have a completely different idea of how to handle this child. I suspect you have burned your boats already with him where his DD is concerned. You can't accept his view of his DD. He won't back down and listen to your pov. You really do want him to choose between his DCs and you if you are campaigning for child free weekends with him. That is simply not going to happen, and really, how dare you even suggest it, that he should give up his weekends with them essentially, or go elsewhere with them when he has them for the weekend.

What I see in your reference to your friends and relatives sharing your pov and finding this child strange and rude is a really ugly picture. Tell us you haven't gone whining to a large group of people and tried to turn them against this child, or gossiped with them about her behind her (much smaller than your) back. Shameful.

You are showing yourself to be really pretty manipulative, stroppy and not very nice yourself where this child is concerned, not to mention cold and unkind and cursed with a superiority complex, imo.

marantha · 24/01/2011 17:30

I just cannot believe some people- you haven't even got the status of being an actual stepmother who is married to the father yet you think you should call the shots.
Unbelievable.

duchesse · 24/01/2011 17:34

OP- What are you, some kind of pantomime or fairy tale wicked stepmother?

Take the advice on this thread and leave if you cannot see your way to behaving like an adult in the relationship with your poor little stepdaughter. If you believe for a second that your SD does not know how much you dislike her, you are seriously deluded. By 11, girls in particular are extremely emotionally attuned. She knows perfectly well that you prefer your DS and her brother to her- how else would you expect her to behave? Suck up to you all the time, try to get you to like her, be on "best behaviour" at all times? Not going to happen. She has nothing to lose by pissing you off and it's only going to get worse as she gets into her teens. You have a window of opportunity to remedy this if you take a lot of a advice and do this the right way. Even then there are no guarantees after 3 years of this.

sayithowitis · 24/01/2011 17:34

But you do have a family of your own! And regardless of your protestations about how wonderful you are towards your partner's daughter, she knows exactly how you feel about her and is acting accordingly. You say yourself that she craves her father's attention. Of course she does, she is an 11 year old child whose father walked out at least three years ago, so aged around 8, and she , like so many children in similar circumstances doesn't understand why her daddy isn't there at home like the daddies of her friends. She probably wonders whether she was the cause of him leaving. She is probably jealous of someone who appears /does spend more time with her daddy than she does. Is it any wonder that she is cold and frosty towards you. If your parents have truly been in teaching for the length of time you claim, they will have seen similar situations many times over those years. I know I regularly see children at school for whom the break quip of their parents relationship is absolutely devastating. OTOH, if she is truly the most strange child they have ever met, it is possible that she does have some form of SN. Either way, I thought my step-mother was bad enough, but compared to the impression you give, she was an absolute dream!

mathanxiety · 24/01/2011 17:34

It's not just because this is AIBU that the OP is getting such a pasting. I have never seen such vitriol directed at a child on MN.

mathanxiety · 24/01/2011 17:37

She sees her father every other weekend maybe? And you hop on her for wanting her father's undivided attention when she's with him for that weekend?

Tortington · 24/01/2011 17:39

i do beeive that the op has said that she treats the child with respect at all times.

i also think it is ok to say that some children are just bloody awful to be around and this must be especially hard if you are a step parent to one of them.

not all children are adorable, some are insufferable in fact ime

marantha · 24/01/2011 17:40

I think it says a lot about you that you refer yourself as being a stepmother and not the correct terminology of 'my boyfriend's daughter', perhaps an exaggerated sense of self-importance? Methinks that this is the case here.

bubblewrapped · 24/01/2011 17:40

I have known dp and his children for many, many years and she was exactly the same when she wasn't a tween

Are you the reason that his marriage to this childs mother broke up then?

That would go a long way to answering why she feels she has nothing to say to you.

pagwatch · 24/01/2011 17:42

Can I just say, and I should stress that I am not diagnosing a child over the Internet, that people with very poor social skills can be hard to like iyswim. Nit only because they arecawkward in their interatcions with you but also because they can be very difficult to get any kind of emotional reaction from.

That can gradually lead you to an unconscious assumption that you cannot hurt them. Which is far from the truth.
You overlay their lack of response with your hurt and embarrassment that they seem indifferent to you.
This can make you quite angry.

If they combine thatvwith a high handed manner, again as part of their condition, this desire to create a reaction can grow.

I am only saying that a closed down person is not neutral. Your hurt, discomfort, embarrassment, impotence can make you want to do anything to get them hurt back.

Not sure if I am making sense.

Either way an adult should always see the child and put such selfish reaction to one side

Bogeyface · 24/01/2011 17:47

Mathanxiety You put it perfectly as "shameful". Thats exactly what it is.

And childish, demanding and spoilt to boot.