No British - No Women

[MrSpoc]

I have just come across this article:

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Huntingdon-St-Ives-St-Neots/Playgroup...

am i being unreasonable to be disgusted at how this can be legal.

It needs the power for it to be racism

I don't get that at all .

It was a concise summary of the arguments in my previous posts.

I don't think any of us get it. It's strange logic.

What fucking shit are you talking about?My father had to deal with mum's family being really fucking horribnle to him because he was white - ie spoiling his jackets with cooking oil (ie ruining them when I was around and found it as a child very hard) ensuring that although everyone in family spoke english they 'suddenly forgot' how to speak english when he was around.

Nope - it didn't affect his life chances
(he was a clever educated guy ) but how is this not racist giyadas and this question is specifically for you. And I say this because when I go to my dh's country they are exactly like this to me (and because exactlty because I'm not completely white).

Taking ds swimming but sooo looking forward to your answer.

So my question is why exactly you think certain behaviour is racist and not racist depending on the colour or (lets be honest) ethnicity of the recipient?

it seems so graig...silly me

So basically glyadas that translates a Minority groups cannot be accused of racism, simply because they do not have the power of the majority??

Well that blows the BNP are racist tw@ts argument out of the water then

i dont think this playgroup was 'racist' at all and struggle to see why anyone would get upset about it. And most people of BNP persuasion would be looking for any excuse to join the bnp imho.

anyway the group is about nationality not race as well from what I can gather. How inclusive are we as a country if we can't allow a group like this to carry on without howling 'discrimination' at it.

The equality Act stil allows forms of positive action such as recruiting chinese waiters in chinese restaurants and actually i think this is a good thing. We should value peoples diversity and stop thinking in terms of whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

I have said it depends on who holds the power/ is dominant (whatever country you are in). I've also pointed out the difference between racism and prejudice.
I'm not wasting my time repeating myself, or talking shit as you so beautifully put it.

IT WAS A MOTHER & TODDLER GROUP!!!!!!!!!!

"Well that blows the BNP are racist tw@ts argument out of the water then"
really? I though the bnp was made up of mainly white british people. I must have been mistaken.

My apologies Giyadas - it's hard to keep up with who is defending what on this thread.

Rockin

I am not defending or attacking the actions of that group, but tbh not being bothered to speak English when only one (new) attendee needs English to be spoken doesn't seem a major sin to me.

I think a lot of groups, of all persuasions, turn frighteningly easily into cliques and don't particularly worry as much as they should about the feelings of new members.

It's quite rude, I suppose - but I wouldn't want to make any more general point about it than that, especially in such a specific context (i.e. a bunch of mums meeting for a chat.)

MIFLAW - if you need 'breathing space' from the DOMINANT culture maybe you've found yourself in the wrong place!!!

And I actually find that comment offensive and disgusting!!

The best thing about any argument like the one that this thread has degenerated into is the elephant in the room.

Immigration to Britain, apart from political refugees, was comparatively tiny until the arrival of the West Indians. The precedent they set has really opened the floodgates.

And who was responsible for that arrival? The indigenous population! Their unwillingness to perform certain jobs for a given wage was a direct factor in forcing the government's hand in encouraging mass immigration.

The other major cause of mass immigration has been lack of skills at the top end of the job market. Again, it is because of a failure in the indigenous population.

Now, most of those immigrants have now retired. And what do you know? There are STILL vacancies in both those brackets and we are still recruiting from abroad - because sectors of the indigenous population (heavily overlapping with the hard-done-by sectors who vote BNP) want a livelihood on a plate and don't feel like undergoing lengthy training for a low net wage (bus driving, nursing); don't want to get their hands dirty (catering, cleaning); or haven't taken full advantage of the educational system (white collar jobs.) Or they are caught in the benefits trap - but, by definition, anyone in the benefits trap is not being done out of a job by a foreigner because it is not economically viable for him or her to work.

But God forbid that we should criticise them - it must be the immigrants' fault. Send them all back tomorrow and every single one of these poor white victims would be leaping out of bed first thing to drive a mini-cab, flip burgers and shovel shit with a spring in his step and a song in his heart; or, alternatively, would be able to return to his true calling as a heart surgeon now that all the Asian doctors have stopped stealing all the cushy jobs.

"MIFLAW - if you need 'breathing space' from the DOMINANT culture maybe you've found yourself in the wrong place!!!"

Maybe i have.

But, as I was in France at the time, employed by the French government, to teach French university students English, there was only so much working from home I could do.

Or, alternatively, maybe I was like the vast majority of people who have actually lived abroad and who don't have a switch in the back of their head that effortlessly converts them from one culture to another as they go through passport control.

"And I actually find that comment offensive and disgusting!!"

Hard luck.

I get the feeling you don't like British people very much MIFLAW!!

That last little rant proved it - I could go through each of your little comments one by one and tell you what I think, but I can't be bothered and I think you're a little bit racist pal!!

M perhaps you're projecting your own racism here.

"I get the feeling you don't like British people very much MIFLAW!!

"That last little rant proved it - I could go through each of your little comments one by one and tell you what I think, but I can't be bothered and I think you're a little bit racist pal!!"

"M perhaps you're projecting your own racism here."

Perhaps you are both right.

But, as a white British person who has lived and worked most of his life in Britain, I can confidently say that it's more likely you're not.

""I get the feeling you don't like British people very much MIFLAW!!"

Easy mistake to make. I don't like nasty racist layabouts with an excuse for everything and responsibility for nothing. When the two groups overlap, for example among the membership of the BNP, confusion arises.

"M perhaps you're projecting your own racism here." Racism against whom, exactly?

Indeed, what have I said that actually meets the definition of racist, i.e. hloding one group of people to be inferior or superior solely on the basis of their ethnicity - rather than, say, their actions or opinions?

I don't believe you are white, I believe you are male but probably Asian. However I can't prove it, so it's neither here or there.

You are a racist though, who needs to read up on your history especially about the unwillingness of the 'indigenous population' to work so the arrival of immigrants was needed, BULLSHIT - the population had been decimated by the war a decade earlier, that is why workers were needed. And there is more but you're just a nasty layabout racist and I can't be bothered.

But don't want to upset you too much but 'those poor whitey victims' are gonna be around for a long time, so you best get over your hatred.

'It needs the power for it to be racism. Everyone has their prejudices, but only some of them are backed by the culture we live in.'

I have very little power ie I don't employ people or decide what they can and what they cannot do. So, if I call someone who is not of my ethnic background something horrible or exclude them based on their ethnic background or nationality then that's OK then?

"I don't believe you are white, I believe you are male but probably Asian. However I can't prove it, so it's neither here or there."

Would LOVE to know what you base your guess on - why Asian? Why not Black African? Or Black Caribbean? You're right, it's neither here nor there - but do tell me what you base it on.

"the population had been decimated by the war a decade earlier, that is why workers were needed." Fair point - but why hadn't they been needed for a decade? And why did the available jobs happen to be the shit ones?

"you're just a nasty layabout racist" - please provide evidence that I am a racist (again, according to the actual definition of racism) or a layabout or else retract your comment immediately.

"'those poor whitey victims'" - I do not, never have and never would use the word "whitey" so please do not portray that as a quote.

For the record I am a white male - just like I said I was.

Well I just based my guess on your being Asian because of your utter loathing for the 'indigenous population' - However it is the internet, and you could be anyone of any sex, any nationality or persuasion, So I just have to believe that you are a white man who hates your fellow Britons because they are all white, lazy, irresponsible and give the jobs they don't want to foreigners

IT wasn't a decade EXACTLY that immigrants arrived - I just gave that as a rounded up figure!!

The available jobs were the shite ones, but the immigrants were happy to do them at that time because they were happy to have got themselves out of the shit holes they'd come from!!!

This is netmums, nobody goes by the 'actual definition of racism' on this site - so I've learned!!

You just seem to have a lot of bitterness towards the 'indigenous population' -seems strange!!

I have taken your advice by the way and started improving my history.

FACT: in 1951 the UK population was higher than in 1931 or in 1941, increasing by 2m per decade - so much for a decimated population, and far from wholly attributable to mass immigration which had only begun in 1948 (the first boatload had less than 500 passengers.) The net migration for 1951 was about 10,000.

FACT: the UK lost 334k of population in WW2.

FACT: unemployment in the 40s and 50s stood at around 2%. While this was low, it is clear that the 492 jobs taken by the first West Indian immigrants could comfortably have been filled by indigenous whites. You can draw your own conclusions as to why this did not happen - but it certainly wasn't because of a shortage of people in any straightforward sense.

www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf

Dobie - OMG - your assumptions are sad. And don't assume that immigrants all arrive from shitholes - many come here because they have great lives but wanted to study here.

This is not netmums btw.

"Well I just based my guess on your being Asian because of your utter loathing for the 'indigenous population'" - because Asians are especially well known for utterly loathing the inddigenous population, right? That IS what you're saying, isn't it?

"So I just have to believe that you are a white man who hates your fellow Britons because they are all white, lazy, irresponsible and give the jobs they don't want to foreigners" - I am far from hating anyone and very far indeed from making the sort of generalisations you are attributing to me. Most people, white, black or any colour in between, AREN'T lazy and irresponsible - but, ironically, a lot of the white members of that small group are BNP supporters.

I realise it wasn't a decade exactly - but, even if it was just a year, somehow we coped, yes? Yet suddenly we needed immigrants and just happened to have a load of low-prestige jobs going begging.

"the immigrants were happy to do them at that time because they were happy to have got themselves out of the shit holes they'd come from!!!" So all of the West Indies are shit holes, yes?

"This is netmums" - no it isn't.

"You just seem to have a lot of bitterness towards the 'indigenous population' -seems strange!!" What bitterness is that then? I have a job, a good life, get on well with my colleagues, an excellent education - nothing to be bitter about. If anyone on this thread sounds bitter, it is you and the other racists. I admit that I don't have any time for racists and, insofar as I have national pride, I am ashamed to be linked to you by a mere accident of birth - but I am not bitter.