No British - No Women

[MrSpoc]

I have just come across this article:

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Huntingdon-St-Ives-St-Neots/Playgroup...

am i being unreasonable to be disgusted at how this can be legal.

"What a ridiculous set of double standards you live by."

Yes, I agree that the threat posed by this playgroup and the threat posed by the BNP are identical.

What WAS I thinking?

This is completely backing up Trevor Phillips argument about some groups seeking not to integrate. I think it is as offensive as the Guest House owners denying a bed for the gay couple. Complete double standards here of all you posters who support it I am sorry....

MIFLAW... I take you're having a blinkered day.

You don't need to challenge me regarding finding BNP supporters that truly do not believe their party is racist...I have already and that's why I'm confident in my views. These people, one of which has mixed race children, do feel that they are being persecuted and short changed in their own country. Whilst I disagree I can understand how they reach their POV. One single mother of three, working two jobs to avoid benefits has to witness her estate filled, her words, with immigrants with nicer cars. This may well be untrue, however she thinks that being white and poor is more of a disadvantage than being a newly arrived refuge. It is, like her support of the BNP, the way she sees it.

In fact I'll get you one of her posts in a discussion:
there will always be arguments with this kinda thing , most British are not personally affected by others so they cant see there is a problem.
unless you became unemployed and you look for work and find there is no jobs .
or you get mugged and you find the person was not of British blood .
so there is reasons why people have there views .
im sure there views should be respected
the other members of society have there own views there very rarely if ever bought to justice for there rants against British people . years ago it was a crime to say you would like to kill some one . but these days you can stand on a street corner and yell your head off how our country folk should be murdered have our heads removed .
it may be harmless rantings in the eyes of our now British government but it does show how weak Britain has became .
may i just add the great in Britain should be removed . to call us great should be replaces with gullible Britain. in a few years we will follow Sweden.
our government will be so quick to punish us for racists comments and yet others are not punished . you watch youtube see how quick the police hit the EDL compared to just talking to the MDL even though there marching was just as vocal and violent at times.

It's not about inclusion is actively excluding one nationality, the host nation.

MIFLAW A non white British woman did go to this group and was allowed to stay, so only white British women are discriminated against here.So the people running this group have made it about colour. Btw you used the word amateur, to describe the people running this group, so the "some people" includes you.

I don't want people living here to be unhappy and I don't see how including white British women in this group would make them so. You place a high level of importance on the happiness of the women attending that group, which is all very well, but you don't seem to care about the two women who've been made unhappy by the actions of the people running this group. Or don't they count?

'You might not like it but to make this big a deal of it smacks of concerns far beyond a genuine worry for the public purse or the moral fabric of the nation.'

What concerns? I personally don't give a shit but do feel that it keeps people on the edge of society.

And before anyone accuses me of god knows what - I'm a mixed race mum from a multireligious and multilingual background married to a 'foreigner' (and very proud of it) with limited english who'd think taking ds to a playgroup with no brits (of any colour, religion and background) very bloody odd being we're in the UK.

Fine if it's a playgroup that incorporates help like knowledge and access to services but even so, why does it need to exlcude nationals (who, in this country at least, are from many backgrounds and views).

They are just making a ghetto. How can they integrate if they don't mix with the locals?
If foreign women are so nervous about going to a 'British' playgroup, why can't there be a pool of friends who can go with them.

No wonder some areas of the country are becoming anti-british

And where would they meet these friends Ripeberry?
A playgroup that specialises in non-british mothers perhaps?

TBH I can't imagine this really happening in London, it is always the small town do-gooders who think they are forging ahead in race relations. It seems very badly thought out and it does reek to the heavens of reverse racism. I shop at the Co-op who are one of the backers and I bloody resent my money being used in projects that wilfully exclude ANYBODY it is hardly bloody ethical is it. And for the man who runs the group to assume the white woman was British but NOT her mate shows how confused and racist he really is. There really is nothing to condone about the organisation of this group and the council should spend their money more wisely. Respite care could do with even an extra 100 quid I am sure

No giy....a playgroup or their local community.

*HopeForThe BestDo you really think that is wrong?

Er,,,YES!! .....it is racism to exclude people on the basis of race, colour or creed etc & that is EXACTLY what happened here.....& it is EXACTLY that kind of negative behaviour that breeds racism & gives organizations such as the already mentioned BNP thier clout

& hardly the same thing as a Dog Owners Club etc excluding people for not being Dog owners...I would have no issue with a Parent & Toddler Group excluding anyone who wasn't a Parent & didn't have a toddler, so IMO you make a very weak argument

& I agree with the poster who sites those against the exclusion of the Gay couple from a guest house, yet supporting this as having double standards......its ALL biggotry & as such should be stamped out

Oh, I thought that it was only the DM running this one

And if they feel nervous/isolated within their local community or playgroup filled with british mothers? A group like this could be a springboard to help give them confidence to start integrating and/or a bit of break from being the outsider.
I see nothing wrong with either of those being provided.

I don't see the connection other posters are making between british and gay, either.
Gay = subject to being discriminated against because we live in a heteronormative society.
British = not subject to discrimination due to being the dominant culture.

I can understand the 2 girls wanting to go to use this facility as they only lived around the corner so I did not see it as them turning up to make a point or cause trouble tbh. I always used to like to go to my closest mums group when I lived in Bristol, hardly a crime really. The guy running the group sounds like a pig ignorant twat IMHO and has scored an own goal on this. I just rang someone in the Cooperative Development fund in Manchester and they said it was a one off grant, but they were definitely unhappy with the way the group has been managed, and they were doing their own investigation, good luck I say..

Giyadas clearly does not see how racism works both ways.

This play group is called "making links" their aim is to make links with everyone and yet choose to exclude the host nation (very backwards thinking).

Also there is nothing wrong in creating a support group for example Somali women to get advice on how to adabt in our society but this group is for every nation including, German, French, American, Australian but not for the British. How does this then offer support to these other women?

And for everyone who missed what the point of this group was "Its just a toddler group" nothing else.

Giyadas - at playgroups that are inclusive perhaps?

And excluding British mothers comletely goes around race laws because us (scary) british mothers come from all walks of life across the planet. Must avoid us at all costs. Goodness.

because racism and discrimination clearly doesn't work both ways.
Racism is the systemic denial of rights and benefits by one race against another in all areas of human activity.
How are non-brits in any position to accomplish this?

And there is no such thing as reverse racism.

So being in a majority means that you can't be subject to discrimination? My dictionary defines discrimination as singling out a particular person or group for special disfavour or favour. Perhaps yours says something different.

Anyway I'm not sure it's the councils responsibility to build peoples confidence and make them feel happy. I thought their responsibilities were to pay for the infrastructure of their particular area. If people want a group like this, then it ought to be privately financed.

Btw, even the BNP are no longer allowed to exclude people from membership on the grounds of their skin colour, so long as they agree to the party view. Tis a fucked up world when the group for foreigners is more racist than the BNP in its membership requirements!

So what some people are saying is, because these two women where "White Britsh" and because of this fact they are the "Dominant Culture" therefore it is impossible to be racist against them? This is lost on me.

So in that case, if a young white girl went to school and was being bullied by a gang of asian girls calling her names like "whitey" would this not be racist because she is part of the "Dominant Culture"?

So you can come if you're foreign or if you're British but not if you're British and white? What a fucking joke. Sounds like someone's making up the rules as they go along. Shame they're doing it with tax payers money (and I don't care how much it is).

Lol at the dog owner club analogy. You need to work on this one Hope!! Anyone can go to a dog owner club cos anyone can get a dog...

Until we all wake up to the fact that we all bleed the same colour, nothing like this will ever be resolved.

Why can't we respect differences while being a community with no pressure other than to live, let live and do what we can to make sure that happens for EVERYONE in a fair and peaceful manner?

giydas the man in charge of the group assumed of the two women only the white woman was British, sounds like Alf Garnett to me, and would you say that it is also impossible to be racist towards a white British person?