To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

It gives the tax payers something to moan about, and it gives them self importance. If it wasnt for scrubbers i would be bottom of the pile so LEAVE THEM ALONE.

Underclass? Scrubbers? Lord what year is this?

I scrubbed my hall floor yesterday! Does that make me a scrubber?

These people of whom you so scathingly speak just haven't been as fortunate as you. I remember my gran telling me that all human beings desire to be the best they can, sometimes they just don't have the right guidance. I suspect that applies across all classes and all cultures too.

A reply to all the questions people ask me. I hadn't posted this because i dint want to dredge it up but feel i should because from an outsiders perspective i may look like one of these 'little scrubbers' but actually I and I'm sure lots of others girls who get this label in fact have a story that possibly explains there situation better that them having done it for an easy ride.
Yes i was young to have a child but before that i was at college, working as much as possible and hoping to go to university. I fell pregnant at 19 with with my boyfriend of over a year who was 10 years older with a house and steady job. Everything seemed great and although it wasn't the path i would have chosen it happened and i was determined to make it OK.
For a while things were fine, but around the 3 month mark my babyfather well...lost the plot. He changed from a lovely caring man in to a drug fulled maniac. I mean hard drugs crack etc. At about this time he started beating me which put me in hospital twice one with broken ribs the next with a broken nose. But stupidly i didn't leave. any way to cut a long story short, after the drugs and beatings got worse I decided to make him leave at which point he moved in with a women I'm sure he had been seeing for a while. I was broken.
Time passed and slowly i started to feel better, my son was born and things seemed to be going well. I adored my son and had made a beautiful home for the two of us.
But to my horror my ex started making contact, any way this resulted in him and the fling sending me abusive messages and culminated in him coming round in the middle of the night smashing my flat up and me calling the police, but this didn't stop the abuse. So after suffering depression as a result i tried to kill my self.
I got help and again i built my life up and enrolled on a college course doing interior design, eventually opening a shop. I tried my hardest despite all the previous shit and was determined to make a go of it. But it isn't that simple. the working world is not geared up to single parents who have to take days off for sick children. And i hate to say it but one wage is n were near enough to cover the basics.
After much crying and feeling incredibly disappointed i closed shop and am now back on benefits and sdly in a better possition finacially, I'm now hoping i might be allowed a bit of time to enjoy my son and recover mentally before i succumb to the label of scrubber but to the out side world this is probably how i already appear. Despite the fact; i like any other parent work tireless and thanklessly to do the best by my son. Who is now flourishing :)

All i ment bt this message was to show its not all black and whit. i dont belive being a single parent is any thing any one would chose. I cant imagine anything better that being able to share costs, responsibilty and the joy of a child with but sadly its not always the case i dont wollow in self pitty and have always tried to get on with it and i hope to be back at work again very soon. SO pease dont judge people so hashly.

fuck right off. i feel for riven but not all single mums are scrounging scrubbers.

Well i technically chose to become a single mum as I loved my unborn baby and refused to get the abortion that her dad wanted but it wasn't anything to do with benefits and a council house. I loved my baby. So op as I have said before; fuck right off.

Listen; I would rather have a loving and supportive partner living with us and less money than no man and more benifits so those of you who think I am still single because of money are twats.
It's because I can't keep a man . But then do I want to really?

Posh
Don't need to apologise to riven, I am pretty certain she would agree with you.

And don't justify yourself. You don't have to justify yourself to numpties.

to be honest im sure your right and im normally pretty self assured but i find my self wanting to explain my spelling and grammatical errors so and not to appear an uneducated 'scrubber'. Which by the way are a combination of dyslexia and anger.

Regardless of anyone's own individual circumstances - my opinion remains, you should not get money for having children.

It's a personal decision that the State has no part in subsidising.

electra im with you on this one

Shame on you, OP for using poor Riven's situation in an attempt to get away with your fascist little rant.

That's CB scrapped then Pascoe28?

'Regardless of anyone's own individual circumstances - my opinion remains, you should not get money for having children'

pascoe I've asked before but you haven't answered. Should you get money for having parents?

reelingintheyears - yes, that's CB scrapped!!

StartingAfresh - I'm being thick...eh??

Should inheritance tax be 100%?

pascoe what do suggest i had done differently? Yes it would be great if my sons father could have supported me just slightly but shit happens.

StartingAfresh - no, inheritance tax should be abolished. It is immoral for the State to intervene in transactions/bequests between family members.

bestmamaderwelt - yes it does...hopefully you will raise your children not to be so keen to have kids at so young an age, when they cannot support themselves.

I know I will be doing so regarding my own mistakes in life!!

pascoe28 Fri 21-Jan-11 15:07:07
A world where each pays their own way in life.

How is inheritance paying your own way? Unless you mean that people should pay their own way if they have poor parents, but if they have rich parents then they deserve free money, - money that they did not earn, did not contribute, which could instead be used to improve the lives of all.

my god you really are a Tory stereotype pascoe. Its irrelevant of age, like i said shit happens AT ANY AGE. My partner was almost 30 and up until that point steady and reliable. What advice would you give a single parent 10 years my senior who ended up in the same position because I'm sure there are plently. And by the way no mistakes were made my son is despite the difficulties, fantastic.

I know of plenty of older mothers who are on benefits who once had it all, good job, great partner and sustainable income but life doesn't always run that smoothly does it? so what do you suggest these people do?

So a widow should get no help raising her children then pascoe? A victim of DV who is brave enough to escape should get no help? Etc etc....

Pascoe...should we bring back the workhouse?
Maybe the Wives of servicemen who die in action should be sent there.

That would be my Granny.
Her husband died as a result of being gassed in WW1.
He died in 1931.
Too late for her to get a war widows pension.
But still as a result of being gassed.
She brought her children up in poverty and in a council house.
Never got any state help.

She took in laundry and lodgers and worked in a school kitchen.

The children(my Mum and her brothers)got vouchers for shoes from 'the parish' and had the piss taken out of them when they redeemed them at the shoe shop.

My uncle never used the shoe shop in town when he grew up because of the owner being rude to his Mum.

My Granny died in 1959,before i was born.
She was 58.
Not so long ago.

People in poverty are more liky to be convicted because they don't have the same connections/ money that more well off people do a few of my middleclassfriends were heavily into drugs that is crime and one of them shoplifter just for the thrill of it yet looked down her nose at anyone who did not go to private school . I don't believe many people truly want to live in poverty they are not used to anything else and have not been brought up to believe there is better it is a viscous circle. rezbites it seems you are well off enough to not have benefits but what would you do if you lost all of your money/job and could not find another one? Would you claim benefits then? Turn to crime? Would you then class yourself as a scrubber? Would you sell your children to a rich family since you could no longer afford them? I would really like to know.