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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

OP posts:
cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 21:25

Why don't you run along and do it? You've been proven wrong Kaloki and you know it. I gave you a recent example of Riven but that doesn't count does it? How convenient.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:27

Why don't you run along and do it? You've been proven wrong cupcakebakerer and you know it. I gave you a recent example of government statistics and their methodology but that doesn't count does it? How convenient.

cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 21:27

Like the sound of your own post Tethersend?

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 21:30

How difficult is this to understand?

There are very few stories on struggling claimants compared to fraudulent claims. Are you honestly disputing this? Using just one example?? Seriously?

ilovesprouts · 21/01/2011 21:30

not read all this thread ... but my dd has a baby at 18 and shes no scrubber thanks Angry

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:30

No cupcakes- I like the sound of yours, silly.

And the sound of standing on fresh snow.

usualsuspect · 21/01/2011 21:30

I love your poem Shirley ... I like you better than Tethers now

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:31

Fucking moron.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:31
cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 21:32

Proof Kaloki? Have any?

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:35

Just make sure it's not government statistics, Kaloki- they don't count as proof.

baskingseals · 21/01/2011 21:37

cupcake - what is your point exactly?

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 21:38

weird.

My favourite sound is the sound of my heart beating when I'm salsa-ing the night away. Buh-BOOM, buh-BOOM

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 21:40

Well of course Tethersend goes without saying, maybe she'll accept one solitary article as proof?

StuffingGoldBrass · 21/01/2011 21:56

My favourite sound is the wet splat of a really stupid person's head exploding when they can't get anyone to do anything other than laugh at them on the internet.

StartingAfresh · 21/01/2011 22:05

SGB your post reminds me of those mars attacks green things when their heads explode.

Except thankfully they do.

NanaNina · 21/01/2011 22:33

Can't cope with reading all these posts but OP you sound like a very hard nosed, judgemental and incidentally uninformed person. You must be able to read minds too!

How in god's name do you know what these young woman have been through - probably a fairly chaotic impoverished childhood in many cases - ever heard of the cycle of deprivation, which society has never been able to break into, and never will while there are such gaps between the "haves" and the "have nots" - as for these "scrubbers" (how insulting is that) getting everything from the state, you are much mistaken. Income support is a pittance and means existing not living, sometimes having to choose whether to heat or eat,

I hope you never fall on hard times, no hang on I hope you do.

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 23:11

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

rezbites · 21/01/2011 23:17

Just checking to see if you have burnt me in effigy yet.

Yes,that was a unfortunate typo - but I think you know what it was meant to say.

Let me cite you a real-life example to illustrate my point.

The first "Ivory Tower" that DH and I inhabited was in a little inner-city terraced street. In the house next door to us lived a young mum of fragile mental health. She had a partner, but he was violent. My heart went out to that woman and her children. They had no way out, nowhere else to go. Eventually though they were forced to flee for their own safety. I don't know what happened to them. At the same time as this was happening my Mum told me about a colleague of hers who was talking in the canteen about how her daughter had just secured a council flat by, amongst other things, making a false allegation of domestic violence. She was quite open about the fact that the allegations were false and had been made with the sole purpose of queue-jumping the waiting list.

Where was the vulnerable disenfranchised girl in that situation? I'll tell you where she was - cowering in the house next to me, waiting for the next blow to fall.

Are you honestly telling me that the second woman in this scenario was equally as entitled to that flat as the first? I am not disputing the second girl's right to be on the waiting list, only her right to use dishonest means to queue-jump the list ahead of others genuinely in a much worse situation than her.

Apparently, according to this conversation in the canteen, it was not uncommon for young girls in their vicinity to allow themselves to fall pregnant, then to falsely claim that the child's father had deserted them, or that he was violent, in order to push themselves up the housing list and make themselves eligible for benefits that they would not otherwise have been able to claim. A subtle and premeditated fraud that would be difficult to prove. And these were not the disaffected daughters of households where no adult had ever worked.

These are the kind of people I am talking about - not those who end up in difficult circumstances through no fault of their own. And I have maintained this from the start.

Perhaps it would be better to describe it as an attitude of mind rather than a type of person.

I know there is nothing that can be done about this, because in taking measures to discourage the selfish few, we risk harming the innocent many.

But the attitude of those few still makes me mad.

OP posts:
TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 21/01/2011 23:19

I just want everyone to know that I'm right and everyone who disagrees with me Is wrong.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 23:25

Hang on- are you saying that this entire thread was based on something your mum overheard in the canteen?

Marvellous.

Mumcentreplus · 21/01/2011 23:27

I just want everyone to notice your name contains coalition and that anyone who disagrees with you should make a effort to check what you believe and if it is actually socially/factually wrong or just based upon a small/minority position...

usualsuspect · 21/01/2011 23:28

Fucking lol at over hearing in the canteen ...oh my word thats hilarious

bupcakesandcunting · 21/01/2011 23:34

CBA to do a catch up since my last foray onto this utter cunt of a thread. Any of you scrubbers willing to do a rahnd up for me? Is ILikeMilk still riding high on her hubby's tax contributions? Has OP's brain popped like an expired 50w lightbulb under the pressure of being proved in being an utter dimwit? Has Shirley started paying tax on her ill-gotten earnings?

OTheHugeManatee · 21/01/2011 23:35

Here's what's odd about this thread.

Imagine if some txtspk lol innit person popped up on MN and posted about whether having another baby would be a good idea given that the father wasn't reliable and she had no other income, and musing that it would be ok as there's always the state.

If that happened, the two camps currently pulling each other's hair on this thread would join forces in a flash and tear her to pieces, on the basis that she should get an education and a life rather than just having more kids by some flaky loser.

All you offended posters: the OP isn't about any of you. The people the OP describes don't post on MN, because when they try they don't last five minutes. Getting arsy on their behalf is a bit patronising, if not downright hypocritical.