To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

Yeah but

Oh forget it.

Why because only your sort of person posts on MN..you know fuck all about my life

Gosh Manatee, that's a hell of a leap there. I'll address a bit of that in a minute.

First off.

OP - nice to see you back again, hello. It's very interesting to me that you seem to be constantly changing the goalposts here. First we were meant to feel disgust at the expense of a long standing member of this community who couldn't get decent care for her family and you juxtaposed that to filthy scrubbers and the underclasses.

Of course, once I pulled your utter hypocrisy of your complaints of eugenics as far as WFTC were concerned, you back peddled (WATCH OUT FOR THE POND OF HUMILIATION RIGHT BEHIND YOU!) and changed the agenda of your thread. The switch was made and the debate continued.

You change again now to Domestic violence. Sweet.

Is there nothing you won't stoop to. I knew a bloke once who turned out to be paedophile and he claimed benefits and was fraudulent and beat his girlfriend and was a gigolo as well and I saw him emptying glass bottles into a paper recycling bin.

Get a small semblance of a grip.

Back to Manatee - That's not actually true is it? I don't remember pulling anyones hair out. I would talk to that poster and say that her choices would impact on her unborn child.

Those of us who are fighting for the poorest in this society aren't fighting for them to remain that way, we're fighting for more realistic options and for real change, not a sweeping generalisation that these people are scrubbers or undeserving or scroungers or wasters, we're fighting that they can change their lives without having to STARVE on the streets because all benefits are cut because they are USELESS.

Jesus, it's not rocket science

Shirley I love you. Stop rebuking my advances. You slagbitchcunt .

I'm not currently claiming any benefits. This doesn't make me a better person. I'm just naturally this great.

"Imagine if some txtspk lol innit person popped up on MN and posted about whether having another baby would be a good idea given that the father wasn't reliable and she had no other income, and musing that it would be ok as there's always the state."

I'd assume it was the OP trying to make a point. Or the nice lady who talked to that nine year old girl who said she was a mug for paying tax. She was nice.

Bupcakes - the feeling is mutual but our love-making (sick in mouth) might derail this thread...

hang on, we're on about our seventh derail...it's all fair game.

Come here, buppy, I'm feeling amorous.

I am bothered that all the real movers and shakers in the country are hanging out in canteens.

There was a woman on a thread recently who knew children with sn didn't really have anything 'wrong with them' because her mate was a dinner lady and could tell the children were fine.

Is there some crack govt agency assessing the medical needs of children and observing the benefit dodging ways of harlot strumpets?

Or is it just that some random Mrs Crimble is a bigot with a load of mates

I feel your fear pag. I had a dinner lady at school called "rainbow"

Now, at the time I thought that related to her glasses which had different colours clipped to them for every day, but now I'm wondering whether there was a secret code employed:

Rainbow, rainbow - girl 73 has chosen a sausage roll over the jacket potato...you know what to do....

Yes, suddenly all makes sense. Mine was called mrs peachy. I vomited all over her shoes once when she made me eat tinned gooseberries,

I bet I was straight on the spreadsheet as a wrong un..

Nope. It was whispered into an earpiece.

"roger roger, girl pagwatch, no 89 has vomited her gooseberries , which are a sign of Britishness as a fruit, over my shoes. Green alert be upon her"

scrubbers ? really? what i see is a sad case of young girls who have not had the love and support they should have had and think this is the best life they can make for themselves ,if people put as much effort into educating these girls and helping with life skills and self esteem that they put into judging this situation would not arise nearly as often as it does . Must be nice for you to be so moral and perfect you can sit and sneer at people you obviously have no understanding of at all well done you maybe in the next life you can be reincarnated as one of these 'deadbeats' and see how well you do.
Can i just add that a few years ago i was in town and a elderly man took very ill , the only people who helped him were a group of young teenage 'charvs' stayed with him til the ambulance came and everything . I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes before judging .
i can see why you would be angry on rivens behalf but the tone of your thread makes me with extra steam

othehugemanatee maybe the text speak people as you put it dont last five minutes is because of the attitudes of people like the op , they come here looking for supprt only to be scared of by judgemental people who have no idea what their life is like. I also happen to disagree with you i have found the majority of people on mumsnet to be lovely supportive people no matter what your circumstances.

BTP - well I think defence of its people and upholding of the law are the 2 most important priorities of any government. You disagree...fair enough.

I would ask those that appear to think a life on benefits with a billion children by a billion fathers is an excellent idea and should be made compulsory..., what are your proposals to deal with such problems?

Or do you genuinelt not see them as problems and think we should just ignore and move on?

I'm genuinely interested in what you think.

do you know what life is like in countries were there is no welfare state?

baskingseals - I think both sides on this are guilty of leaping to the extreme ends of the argument in order to try and prove their point.

I think one should be able to question the status quo without being accused of seeking to abolish the entire welfare state. I think we have a good tradition of charitable giving and voluntary work in this country - both ways of addressing issues of poverty that do not need the full-blooded involvement of Whitehall as at present.

So, moving inwards from the extremes, what are anyone else's ideas?

I have not read the whole thread.

Shame on you, OP for using poor Riven's situation in an attempt to get away with your fascist little rant.

Tethersend No, the entire thread was not based solely on something overheard in a canteen, it was just one example of many things that I could quote you, but that would make for a very long and depressing post that might well dent your touching faith in human nature.

Perhaps, the next time any one of us comes across something that puts us in mind of the iniquities of life, we should just politely ignore it instead of commenting on it.

Yes, that's what I'll do in future. And if I witness a mugging in the street I'll politely ignore that too, after all, the mugger is just as entitled to the pension money in the purse as the old lady who has just drawn it out of the post office. He didn't choose to commit the crime, he was forced to by a society that failed him. I wouldn't want to risk appearing judgemental, man-hating, or mean by condemning his actions.

To the person who accused me of changing the goal-posts - can't you see that all the things I've mentioned boil down to the same thing. The argument has evolved a bit that's all. Or don't you want to see that?

So, get off those high horses before you fall
off - or get pushed off by some misunderstood casualty of society who then nicks your handbag while you're waiting for the ambulance.

I was in a canteen once.

"Tethersend No, the entire thread was not based solely on something overheard in a canteen, it was just one example of many things that I could quote you, but that would make for a very long and depressing post that might well dent your touching faith in human nature."

Fear not, rezbites, you have done enough denting my faith in human nature (and human intellect) without the need for any further anecdotes. Sorry, examples.

Can you just clarify who the 'scrubbers' are? I keep forgetting. The air is so thin up here on my high, high horse- it affects the memory.

Cheers

There really is no point in trying to explain yourself rezbites. Honestly. Although pigeonholing is wrong - which I believe was one of the many things levelled against your original post - you were very quickly pigeonholed yourself as a 'benefit claimants hater'. Just like anyone else on these types of threads who dares to point out some of the failures in the system.

...by calling people scrubbers.

I would like a job in a canteen. I would look good in a tabard and could be sniffy about all sorts of people according to my Big Book of Lazy Stereotypes