To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

As I said in my original post I am not talking about those who, through no fault of their own, have ended up in difficult circumstances. I am talking about a minority of young women who have chosen, I repeat chosen, to become single mothers simply in order to secure the council house and the benefits. I am not saying that this is true of all single parents or all social housing tenants. It isn't. But this minorty does exist - you come across them at the school gate, on the bus, in the local shop, at the doctor's. You can't help overhearing the sordid details of their lives because they are usually shouted at a high rate of decibels into a mobile phone. What about the fathers - well, half the girls I'm talking about don't know for certain who their child's father actually is. If you can't imagine the kind of people I'm talking about tune into Jeremy Kyle.

As for the question "Would withdrawing their benefits punish the children of these women"? The answer to that if it wasn't for the ease with which girls like this can access these benefits then half of these children would not have been born in the first place. Such benefits were intended for the unfortunate, not the feckless. What we need to do is ensure that benefits are going to those who genuinely need them because they have no other option.

How frigging DARE YOU! Get a life.

Are you David Cameron?

You are actually quite amazingly disgusting.

I am going to ask you a question now, are you ready? I hope you answer it because I have asked this very same question over and over and over again and never got a sensible response.

What do you suggest happens to all these feckless scrubber and their children. Starting now.?

I'd like an answer please at some point today would be great.

x posted with you Beers.

Well, I too have 2 disabled kids and am fearful of losing everything but underserving little scrubbers? FFS

These owmen did not conceive alone

They are humans, their babies are as valuable and loveable as any child and deserve some help

I GET that some people are scrotes I do, I grew up in the estates and see that; no CHILD ever is and most people have a back story.

in fact i worked in a parenting charity and I have only met one person whom I would describe as choosing her lifestyle: there's always something- abuse, drugs, something.

So, what's it they say- Not In My Name

Go after the non paying partners instead, stop the violent ones. friend of mine just been rehoused in far too big accomodation becuase her ex wants to kill her and just got out of jail; she musty look like this from the outside but hs lost her job etc to go 'on the run' and can hardly explain

AuntieFash: My point was that divorced people could claim benefits despite being more than adequately supported by their former husband.

Hardly likely that she's the only person in the country doing it.

Oh FFS.

These 'littel scrubbers' are the SEN children of yesterday that have been allowed to be failed by past governments due to the attitudes and predjudices such as displayed by the OP!!

rezbites I think the point you are trying to make has been lost somewhat in the language you've used (scrubbers, underclass...) and has ended up sounding like something you'd read in The Sun. I also don't see what it has to do with Riven's situation?

Anyway, just wondered if you saw Panorama this week (about 'feckless fathers', but looking at the whole situation). Twas very interesting and left me feeling at a loss of what can be done. It all seemed to come back to the point that the single mothers (the ones featured, anyway) are better off financially on benefits than if they had a partner living with them, working or not - so that's where they were going to stay. I just think it's very sad that none of these young people, with their whole lives ahead of them, seem to have any aspirations and ambition for their lives, for their children's lives.

So as much as I could jump on the bandwagon, ranting about my hard earned being used to pay for these people, my over-riding feeling is sadness for them and what they don't even seem to realise they are missing out on.

I say bring back the ducking stool for these awful women.
Or we could stone them.
Or put them and their undeserving issue in the stocks and throw rotten tomatos at them.

That'll teach 'em eh Rez.

Obviously the OP thinks these children should be taken into care, the scrubber mothers into labour camps and then they should be sterilised.

That would stop any more problems, no? Oh and a quick questionnaire among their lower class peers should sort out any other likely contenders - a quick trip to have their tubes tied should do the trick. (The men are fine, of course. They can't help it if these women lie and trick them into bed.)

I am going to wait and see what The Answer is.

Somebody on here once told me that I should be in a rworkhouse
Cannot recall if that was pre- DH's redundancy (so him earning quite well), or after- since then he has been studying FT and working self employed around it.

Reality is that if we needed emergency accom SN kids would be fostered as they could not cope.

Hmm.

BURN THEM. BURN THEM ALL.

Nah, I agree with you. Difference between can't work and won't work. Get them on national service.

Well...IMO, we do need to do something about young women growing up with few aspiration and seeing pg as the only lifestyle choice. We shouldn't shy away from the fact that our teenage pregnancy rates are stupidly high and that instead of contributing to the economy, too many able-bodied young people are dependant upon it.

However, the answer is not to demonise these young girls but look again at how we can reach them before they take that plaunge at 16. Tbh, if I wasn't academic, was poor and had little prospects in life, I might be tempted to have a baby just to give me some purpose. The key is to show them that there's more to life. And crucially, make sure there are more opportunities.

And of course, this applies to 'feckless' young men too who need to be encouraged to take responsibility for their own contraception. I'm not sure I believe the spin that there are thousands of young mums out there who want to be lone parents stuck in the poverty trap!

I don't know why I keep coming on these threads really. It's utterly pointless. I'm never going to believe that the way forward is to further crush the poor and disenfranchised, and those on the other side are not going to change their minds either, and feel that they're right that the country is aching under the weight of millions of defrauders and benefit scum.

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Verityjones: Well absolutely: it is important to try to reach these girls and offer them more than a miserable life of scraping by on benefits, bringing up kids who will follow the same path if they are not helped.
But this is because it's such a waste of their lives and potential, not because some mean-minded fuckers think that they are 'scrubbers' who should be demonized.

"I don't know why I keep coming on these threads really."

Get yourself a job then. You come on because you've got too much time on your hands.

I'd like to know where all these fucking jobs are as well.

Where are they? Where are our factories and manufacturing industries and places where a hard days work equals an honest days pay?

Fucking nowhere, that's where.

And now I've lost my temper. Again.

I've got a job actually bupcakes. I come on here just cos I like to be the sand in your vagina.

'Well...IMO, we do need to do something about young women growing up with few aspiration and seeing pg as the only lifestyle choice. We shouldn't shy away from the fact that our teenage pregnancy rates are stupidly high and that instead of contributing to the economy, too many able-bodied young people are dependant upon it.

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Loads of kids I went to school with followed this route, having babies at school.

I went on to college, have now finished a degree and almost an MA, have woprked and looking at being self employed.

I did ahve my first outside marriage )stone me, go on) but I was engaged and am now married to his father and we have 4 kids.

What's the difference between me and them?

Goodness only knows, tbh. Find that out and you have the key: those girls are evey bit as valuable as human beings as I am.