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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

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StartingAfresh · 21/01/2011 19:04

I saw someone jump over the barriers at a tube station the other day.

I think we should get rid of tube trains because otherwise the rest of us are subsidising those fares, and there are probably loads more of them. The extra in fares in fact, are probably the single most likely reason that as a country we are in debt.

I know someone who's dad gave them a house for free. I think we should get rid of house ownership..........

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 19:21

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baskingseals · 21/01/2011 19:21

don't you ever think 'there but by the grace of god go I'

quite a lot of life happens to you, rather than you happening to life

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 19:27

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baskingseals · 21/01/2011 19:33

of course - God has his favourites doesn't he? nothing bad or nasty or UNFAIR will ever happen to them, because they've worked hard, made the right decisions at the right time - so they'll always be alright forever

cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 19:59

tethersend, MrsDeVere....

Spouting the wrong figures I'm afraid. Those are the benefit frauds that were actually reported, acted upon and proven. A mere drop in the ocean. We will never, ever know how much of playing the system there is out there. In that line of thinking you are saying that it's only drug dealers who have been arrested that deal drugs? Get real.

Kaloki:

No the sad and desperately in need cases are never reported on are they...er - Riven's plight ring any bells? Front page? You fool.

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 20:03

Had riven not met David Cameron then it would not have made the papers. Anyone who thinks differently has no business calling other people fools.

GooseFatRoasties · 21/01/2011 20:24

Yes the papers are fucking silent on the plight of all the other carers in the land who don't get the care they need. Fool.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 20:30

Nope, £900m is the government's estimate.

Here

see here, table 2.1 (page 9) which puts it at £1.0bn

You fool.

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 20:32

Evening ladies...

BTP, I asked what you did for a living because I took exception to your casual dismissal of those that join the armed forces.

I accept I was being nosy and apologise.

cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 20:47

Oh right - and how did they come to the estimate?!!! Did they just take a guess? Or did they base it on statistics. I'm sure they just waved their finger over some figures and plucked that one out.

Pag watch - I do recall there was an ex journalist or two who thought her plight newsworthy prior to her meeting with the PM. There's no point in trying to argue on benefits threads though. It's the same time and time and time again.

Oh and the Government estimate of £900m - I mean that's nowt is it? Nothing at all. And that makes it right does it?

tethersend · 21/01/2011 20:51

Right. Government statistics are wrong because you disagree with them. Ok. I provided you with a link to the report which explains the methodology, but no, you're right, they probably just asked each other what people they went to school with did and went with that.

Any thoughts on the amount of unclaimed benefit?

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 20:51

I suspect that most people on the thread feel like they are making little headway in the face of intransigence.

I was not aware that Riven was on the front pages before her connection with David Cameron.
In what context was she written about?

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 20:54

"Kaloki:

No the sad and desperately in need cases are never reported on are they...er - Riven's plight ring any bells? Front page? You fool."

One case. One. I think you've just proved my point, thanks.

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 20:57

Also, cupcake I now imagine you talking like Mr T - you fool.

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 20:58

And here endeth the lesson according to cupcakebakerer.

The government statistics are incorrect because they don't back up the point she is trying to make.

haha! Although, I'm a little confused because originally, the point of this thread was to slag off the scrubbers who claim benefits as part of a "lifestyle choice"

The fraud element is just a bit of The Joker style coloured smoke really.

Oh, and the people who keep bringing up Riven as some kind of the Face of Acceptable Benefit Claiming, can you please just pack it the fuck in. Seriously, it's disgusting and she would be MORTIFIED to be seen as such.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:00

I pity the fool.

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 21:04

haha Kal and tethers.

Mr T used to wear a lot of gold didn't he? And he was a criminal come to think of it. How did he come by his riches? Was he...?

no shirley not

cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 21:06

Yeah just one story Kaloki? You have the statistics for that? Has someone measured the column inches? A good story is a good story.

And what the hell has the unclaimed amount got anything to do with it?

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 21:08

Good Lord!

It's like trying to explain quantum physics to a piece of moss.

usualsuspect · 21/01/2011 21:09

Oh onto benefit fraud are we now...jolly good

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 21:11

Hahaha - well that puts a new spin on the A team.

Tell you what cupcake you run along and see how many stories you can find in the national press about fraudulent claims compared to struggling claimants. Get back to me when you've bothered to pay attention.

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 21:22

yy it goes

If at first the scrubber thing
Doesn't get you anything
Then onto fraudsters you must go
And wow them with your tales of woe
And then the fight you'll surely win
The poor don't deserve one damn thing

tethersend · 21/01/2011 21:22

cupcake, just for you I'll repeat my earlier post:

"Do we have the figures? No - because that's the very nature of fraudulent claims. So no one can ever 'win' this argument."

The government in 2008/9 estimated that £900m a year was lost to benefit fraud.

In 2008/09 £12.7bn of means-tested benefits and £5bn of tax credits went unclaimed.

That's pissed on the 'this is what's wrong with this country' bonfire a little bit, eh?

But I thought we weren't talking about fraudulent claims?

There you go. Happy to explain any of the concepts Smile

TheMonster · 21/01/2011 21:23

I just need to comment on the thread title: under-serving? People who don't do enough for others? That's an ironic typo!

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