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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

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pagwatch · 21/01/2011 17:54

Exactly mrs d,

You can't post such utter shit and then want it to evolve into a debate because you have already upset and offended a ppn of this who will respond.

It is like ' you look like a twat but what do you think of ....' .
The thing is a nonsense before it has begun.

And no one puts 'scrubbers' in a aibu thread seeking intelligent discourse.

Can I also snort at 'nurse, she 's out of bed again'
Grin

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 17:55

I'm not blaming women at all. We have the upper hand, we can have a baby or not, birth control is readily available. But if we decide to have a child with someone who turns out to be rubbish - is that something that should have consequences for others?

If I make a mistake at work I am pulled up for it, if I make too many mistakes I could be fired so I try to avoid writing rubbish reports or making bad decisions.

Surely we need to take the responsibility for our actions - not blame others?

cupcakebakerer · 21/01/2011 17:55

MrsDeVere. Do we have the figures? No - because that's the very nature of fraudulent claims. So no one can ever 'win' this argument. It might be 1 out of every 100, it might be 1 in every thousand. We'll never know...

baskingseals · 21/01/2011 17:57

do you have daughters Rocky?

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 17:58

Try not writing spiteful nonsense on a chat forum! Cos you know you have to take the responsibility for that and people might think you're a twat.

Karma is a bitch BTW, and all this self congratulation at the expense of those less fortunate may well turn around and bite your square on the bot bot.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:01

I have boys - but I was young once...

Hopelesslydisorganised · 21/01/2011 18:08

When were you young - 1920? Your opinions seem straight from that era.

baskingseals · 21/01/2011 18:12

and lucky enough not to get invovled with any fuckwits - others are not so lucky Rocky, and I assure you that's all it is -
LUCK

GooseFatRoasties · 21/01/2011 18:14

No one is denying there is no fraud. It was the hateful misogynistic stereotyping in the OP that got people going.

Anyhow it's Friday night and I'm off to get pissed on your taxes.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:18

Totally disagree - it is not luck at all. Luck is winning the lottery.

Just because I dont agree with some of the posters doesnt make me smug our out of the 1920's! I have different views to some of you - please respect that as opposed to the name calling please. This is a public forum - if we all agreed with each other what a boring place this would be.

The point I am trying to make is that there will be less and less money to go around in the future. Anyone who thinks they are going to be 'supported' by the government for making daft decisions is mad.

However, we do need to do something about people who think that society owes them something. I would like people to take more responsibility for their own actions. I have not tried to hide this. This will then allow more money to be available for the Riven's of this world who IMHO should be given almost anything she wants!

tethersend · 21/01/2011 18:19

"Do we have the figures? No - because that's the very nature of fraudulent claims. So no one can ever 'win' this argument."

The government in 2008/9 estimated that £900m a year was lost to benefit fraud.

In 2008/09 £12.7bn of means-tested benefits and £5bn of tax credits went unclaimed.

That's pissed on the 'this is what's wrong with this country' bonfire a little bit, eh?

But I thought we weren't talking about fraudulent claims?

KalokiMallow · 21/01/2011 18:20

Cupcake "Kaloki - you are deluded if you think the media wish to 'help' the Government by running stories on unworthy benefit claimants so as to make the public angry and 'okay' with benefit cuts!!!!!!!!!!"

Late to reply I know, but seeing as you are missing the point.

I do not believe it is a conspiracy, I do however realise that "scroungers/scrubbers" make better news articles than people struggling to make ends meet. And the more the "scroungers" are talked about the more people believe there are more of them around, and attention is taken away from those who are struggling. Which is why OP's like this one are so bloody annoying, they add towards the feeling that most claimants are fraudulent.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:20

And have I ever resorted to name calling or swearing??

baskingseals · 21/01/2011 18:22

of course it's luck

you can't order Mr Solvent and responsible you know

tethersend · 21/01/2011 18:22

Rocky, you're going to have to tell us all that swearing is indicative of a poor vocabulary in a minute.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:25

Not luck - your choice! My Mum and Dad split up when I was a teenager, not a great time and of course money was tight.

She just got on with it and so did we. No slagging off my father, no name calling, no claiming that it wasnt her fault she picked a man that ultimately proved to be the incorrect choice.

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 18:27

But rocky you are choosing to use your problem with swearing as a mechanism to suggest that you are engaging in a superior level of debate.
In my opinion nothing could be further from the truth.

I can see few things on this thread more offensive and low rent than your comment to VT about her childrens father.

These things are a moveable feast.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:27

I think swearing in this context is getting frustrated with someone who doesnt agree with you.

Well, welcome to the real world, not everyone will agree with your views and opinions and I dont apologise for that at all.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 18:29

Page - but VT made the commnents about her choice of father. I wouldnt dream of calling him what she called him.

expatinscotland · 21/01/2011 18:30

'Pascoe is a troll, a silly one at that! .'

No, a namechanger, possibly a banned one, who brings up other threads and has a lot of knowledge about frequent posters, but won't reveal who he really is, so don't bother engaging.

Hmm
pagwatch · 21/01/2011 18:43

Nevertheless, you questioned her in a very superior way about her private life.
I seldom ask personal questions on here. I find it deeply rude.
People have different views. Your dislike of swearing is not more pressing than my dislike of personalised judgements

tethersend · 21/01/2011 18:48

"Well, welcome to the real world, not everyone will agree with your views and opinions and I dont apologise for that at all"

Rocky, you're getting quite upset that we don't agree with you and think you are wrong. Confused

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 18:48

Oh is this irony fattening? Because it is simply delicious!

I'd like to welcome you to the real world as well Rocky, a world in which people don't agree with you either.

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 18:56

I think in real life I swear out of frustration, like in traffic jams. Mostly I swear because it is often the saucy topping upon a hum drum phrase.

I am with Billy Connolly. I know lots of words but fuck remains one of the best.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 21/01/2011 18:59

I was feckless enough to choose a rubbish father for my 5 children. I mean I should have done my research. I might have somehow found out he had MS before I popped out all those babies (because people like me are always referred to as 'popping' out kids. We dont give birth, we are too common)

tethersend you get there first thankyou Smile. Of course we have the numbers. Society is obessed with benefit fraud. Its all there in black and white. Trouble is, if it doesnt fit people choose not to believe it. It cant be true can it? I mean it just doesnt back up what I am trying to prove!

I always get embroiled in these threads. I am not even reliant on benefits! But I do fit the image and one day I probably will be totally dependant (if there are any left) because OH will get sicker and have to leave work. Then I will have to leave work to look after him.

Then we will be that couple who dont work but have all those kids. Fucking scroungers!

Forget the 50+ years of taxes we have paid between us. Hmm