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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

OP posts:
StartingAfresh · 21/01/2011 17:14

'I'm sorry to point out that this is the price you pay for having a welfare state. You get rid of the laws of nature and natural selection. In the wild, crap mothers don't manage to raise their off-spring. It ends there. It's an uncomfortable truth, but there it is'

Were you DRUNK when you wrote that?

It isn't natural selection that controls our world and destiny it is money, and money is not restricted to good, capable people, just rich people.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 17:14

And Joan - do you always react so agressively when someone posts?

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 17:15

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JoanofArgos · 21/01/2011 17:15

Ok, sorry for being harsh, but what a patronizing post!

StartingAfresh · 21/01/2011 17:16

pascoe

'A world where each pays their own way in life'

So do you support 100% inheritance tax then?

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 17:17

Pascoe

You are going to have to break your post to me down a bit.
To what pet project do you refer? I have no pet project as far as I am aware

I do give substantial amounts to causes close to my heart, plus give my time (as do many other people) so apparently that means, by your rules, that you have to listen to me. Which is nice Smile

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 17:20

So, what is the answer then? I am not sure.. but we cannot cary on like this.

And I do believe hostels for young girls with no visble means of support could well be the answer. Not more and more benefits dependant on how many children they have.

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 17:20

Is pet project my free popcorn plan?

VinegarTits · 21/01/2011 17:21

Yes choose wisely ladies, it is as simple as that Hmm

Sorry but the cuntface who impregnated me then ducked off to the hills didn't come with a written warning, or teat tatooed across his forehead you patronising fuckwit

ToxicKitten · 21/01/2011 17:23

Rocky12 said

"Consequently - only have a child with someone that you know, who you can trust. I occasionally peek at the Lone Parents area. It is often full of women calling their ex partners every name under the sun but as a women I think we bear the higher burden of responsibility. We must choose carefully."

And I had to read it several times before I could believe the evidence of my own eyes.

Are you seriously, I mean seriously saying that women should "choose their menfolk more responsibly"?

Are we supposed to be psychic? To never believe men can change if they appear less than perfect? To want their trust in our selves, yet put some kind of clause detailing our expectations of perfection into place before a first date?

How on earth can you level such criticism at women who have simply followed the same evolutionary practices we all instinctively do - pairing up and procreating. Even imperfect relationships had their good points other wise they wouldn't start at all.

I could write so much more about how relation ships depend on understanding far deeper psychological issues than superficial concerns about money and staus.

Utterly gobsmacked here.

And sometimes swearing adds the emphasis we need to fully express our feelings. like any other language. There is a time and a place.

Angry
BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 17:25

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TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 21/01/2011 17:26

I think my contribution has been overlooked so I want to repeat it here:-

"I just want to say that I OFTEN feel underserved and it's good that Mary Portas is looking into this."

also, someone has complained about bad language so I would just like to say "fuckshitcuntbollockswanker"

Thank you for your time.

Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 17:26

But it is up to us to choose wisely, if you make choice after choice that doesnt work out does that make you a victim or someone who doesnt make good choices.

And VT, your choice to have a baby with a no mark is your choice!

Should others be paying for those choices?

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 17:28

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Rocky12 · 21/01/2011 17:28

And VT - what are you going to tell your child about their father when the time comes?

usualsuspect · 21/01/2011 17:31

Rocky12...give it a fucking rest

BeerTricksPotter · 21/01/2011 17:31

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tethersend · 21/01/2011 17:33

Rocky, why not post on the Lone parents threads? You seem to have some very strong opinions on the matter, and I'm sure they'd welcome a robust discussion.

Good luck Smile

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 21/01/2011 17:36

Try the veal.

JoanofArgos · 21/01/2011 17:38

oh, actually - fuck off.

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 17:38

My popcorn for the people campaign was very short lived.

Is there a snack with popular appeal I should divert my energies into? I must do something

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 17:41

Perhaps vt will be able to comfort her dcs with the knowledge that at least their father was not the kind of cunt who picks personal and uninformed fights with strangers on the Internet.

But I could be wrong.

Kit kat?

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 17:48

Nurse! She's out of bed again.

Blaming women for the shortcomings of men is just Soooo 2009 darling.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 21/01/2011 17:49

cupcakes

The OP was ridiculous in its use of language and steryotypes.

If these threads were started in the spirit of sensible debate they wouldnt start with the use of the word 'scrubbers' would they?

Of course there are those that abuse the system. They are in the minority. Yet so much anger is wasted on them. Its almost like the more bile is directed at them, the less the complainers have to look at the real problems.

But that just couldnt be the case could it? Hmm

Anniegetyourgun · 21/01/2011 17:50

Look, half wit, you can know a guy for a year (as I did), court him for another year, marry him, live with him for another two years and THEN have a baby. And if the bugger then starts mucking you about, what do you do with the kid? Re-absorb it?