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To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

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rezbites · 20/01/2011 10:12

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

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tethersend · 21/01/2011 14:56

Bad form to bring up another thread, pascoe.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 15:00

"I avoid as much tax as possible (paying myself through my limited company etc etc). All perfectly legal - who voluntarily pays extra tax that they don't have to?"

Not worried about the message that sends to your children then, eh pascoe? Wink

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 15:00

Ah well, the young mothers who are being so bitterly derided on this thread for claiming benefits are also doing something perfectly legal. Smile

And so there we are. You fall short of my moral beliefs. I fall short of yours. Whatever are we to do?

An attachment to earnings/benefits for runaway fathers is something I can agree with you on.

Hullygully · 21/01/2011 15:03

Let us return to first principles.

What sort of world do we want to live in?

How might we get there?

tethersend · 21/01/2011 15:05

Will we be needing my stuffing recipe?

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 15:07

A world where each pays their own way in life.

tethersend - bad form? How so?

tethersend · 21/01/2011 15:11

If you have an issue with altinkum on another thread, it's probably best to deal with it there.

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 15:16

tethersend - said thread has disappeared. No doubt due to MNHQ reflecting on its own guilty part in that sorry saga.

tethersend · 21/01/2011 15:18

Perhaps start a new one? Honestly, I don't think this thread is the place to deal with it.

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 15:24

Fair enough - she referred to me as a troll, which was jolly unfair in my view.

Anyone that knows me would have said I was more of a gnome...

Hullygully · 21/01/2011 15:24

What about a world based on love, sharing and giving rather than commerce?

I'd like one of those.

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 15:28

I WANT A COKE FLOAT

Hullygully · 21/01/2011 15:30

Are you prepared to share it, Shirl?

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 15:31

hullygully - how would this be enforced? What if I found something of value and wanted to keep it, or give it to someone of my choice? Would this be permitted?

What if I want to be independent?

Hullygully · 21/01/2011 15:33

How would we decide what was and wasn't of value?

How would we apportion value and why?

Ryoko · 21/01/2011 15:33

I yern for the simple life of a post apocalyptic wasteland, where it's every man/woman for him/herself and who ever has the biggest looted gun or best DIY crossbow wins.

Hullygully · 21/01/2011 15:34

What does "independent" mean? Do you want to be independent of doctors, dentists and pilots?

pagwatch · 21/01/2011 15:35

I pay fucking loads of tax. Don't mind. It is the reasonable price of a society that gives a fuck about it's neighbours.

I wish a bit less went to bombing people. And giving child benefit to those who bitch about benefit scroungers. Oh and I would like a bit more spent on closing tax avoidance loopholes..

And toffee popcorn should be free.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 21/01/2011 15:49

See, these threads always start by talking about 'those' people. Then posters start pointing out that they themselves could be judged as in the OP but if you dig deeper, life is complex.
Then the OP and supporters start backpeddling a bit and say 'well I know its not ALL of you, I dont mean YOU' blah blah.

Apparently its only a few people who are really scrubbers, scroungers, fruadsters, feckless etc etc.

So we start with 'all these' and end up with 'a tiny minority'

If they are a tiny bloody minority they are hardly making that much of a difference are they?

Using the plight of a family to spout ignorant bollocks is pretty low IMO.

A lot of us who are suffering due to lack of funding and living in fear of benefit 'reforms' are the very ones who are judged for being on benefits, having too many kids, getting free cars, not working even though they look 'fine to me' blah fecking blah.

I am sure there are lots of people who judge my family based on appearances and fuck all else.

They dont know what we do, how much we have contributed, if we work or how much we get in benefits.

They just look at the new car, the OH who 'looks fine' the DS who 'doesnt look like there is anything wrong with him', the OH who is home all day blah blah.

We both work, OH has MS and works evenings, DS has ASD, we have both worked since we were 16 ........

So are we deserving or not? Depends whether you base your answer on facts or what you THINK you know about us. People who start these threads always seem to know an extraordinary amount about their neighbours Hmm

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 16:15

pagwatch - don't mistake spending other people's money on your pet projects for giving a f*ck about other people.

Give freely to charities of your choice and I might listen to you - lazily letting the State take it and spend it as it sees fit is not the same thing.

StuffingGoldBrass · 21/01/2011 16:19

If people should 'pay their way' by being employed, why aren't the essential jobs (nursing, rubbish disposal, education, looking after the infratstructure) better paid? Why are all these jobs 'outsourced' in order to find cheaper and cheaper labour and remove any kind of job security from those who do them?

DameShirleyKnot · 21/01/2011 16:20

Gawd pascoe. You're starting to sound a leetle bit mad now.

Maybe you need to set up some sort of fort in the wilds of the moors and shoot trespassers. Just keep your fingers crossed that you never need a hospital you can't afford to pay for.

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 16:23

SGB - define essential. Yours is not a list I would agree with... defending the country, upholding the law, guarding prisoners, performing surgery, lending to business all appear higher on my list.

pascoe28 · 21/01/2011 16:24

Lefties always define compassion as the extent to which they can persuade other people to foot the bill for something.

noddyholder · 21/01/2011 16:24

a LEETLE bit mad?!?!?!