To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

force - pay, same thing

who the hell are we decided who should and shouldnt be allowed to keep a child?

So the cessation of CB to all? (bang goes my porsche)

Might be a little problem with that as CB is usually paid directly to mothers. In some cases this small payment (and it is small you know, I don't even think the amount I get for my 2 children pays for the food they shovel in a week) is the only money they have independantly of their husbands. So yet again, let's punish the women and the children in society - all of them.

I don't think young men who get women pregnant and do the off are considering that the CB will see their kids right - but yeah, let's not look too closely at this part of your answer because the fact that many men pro-create and then sod off crosses all class divides, doesn't it?

I kind of agree with the bit about single parents getting more money than poor couples - but the problem here is that it does cost more to be on your own.

As to the families bit - well of course families should be the way they used to be. But, and herin lies the rub, the working class communities which have always helped each other out and worked hard have been decimated by a lack of any decent prospects. I was on a thread the other day where the answer to all this was apparantly "Move if you can't find work in your area". So if you move to find work and then lose that job and you've left your family behind (and in fact the family is fractured anyway because everyone's moved for work) then what? The other thing is that we're generally talking about people whose families are financially UNABLE to help.

As to the shame stuff?

I remember saying once to my mum that in the olden days (ha) if a man had left his family without a penny to survive he would have been shunned in the pub. His mates wouldn't have just shrugged and thought it was OK, they would have turned from him. Is that what you mean?

Getting pregnant being morally wrong was how things where 40+ years ago when young woman got thrown out on the streets and treated like scum and the kids taken into care while the fathers swanned off unaffected to live out their lives unjudged by society.

Is that what you want? seriously where is the judgment of the men, if a woman goes sleeping around she's a tart and a slapper etc, morally wrong and shouldn't be a mother etc etc.

if I man goes around fucking anything that moves, getting countless woman up the duff it's perfectly fine and actively encouraged.

it's disgusting that even woman on mumsnet are buying into this crap of chucking morality at woman expecting them to have Victorian values while men should have the values of cavemen, get a grip and get over the sexist nature of our society.

What on earth do you mean, VinegarTits?

ILikeMilk's DH pays over £110k tax, you know. Perhaps he should decide, as the benign hand that feeds. Or something.

Or perhaps pascoe28 should decide, she seems balanced and reasonable.

Has "plasma screen" been mentioned yet?

I disagree with the OP, I am NOT on benefits and do you know what - Riven would disagree with the OP too so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it.

yy hopelessly, in fact IIRC (WHICH I DO) on the last thread I was on Riven was absolutely disagreeing with this sort of thing. Bringing her name into this discussion is not only crass but also completely inappropriate.

pascoe has to be a man, if not then i am

i have to go, was fun hanging around with the bigoted ignorant for a while though

I might be on benefits. I might not be. I might have a well paid job which this thread has convinced me to give up just so I can live off ILikeMilk's DH's taxes.

Any guesses?

First correct answer wins £5 in healthy start vouchers.

My friend's ex spends time denying their second child is his (it is) and refuses to pay her anything for their daughter because "you get money off the Government for her".

Definitely it;s the likes of him who are the problem and not the likes of my friend who didn't know when she met him what an arsehole he was.

I think that you may find that it is LED TVs that the cleaning classes aspire to nowadays.

Or at least this member is.

Only just spotted this thread. OP, you sound like a foul mouthed ignoramous, and so do your cronies. Yuck.

I would rather pay my taxes to fund 'little scrubbers' than share air with you.

Also dismayed that you somehow managed to tie Riven's situation into your little rant. Shame on you!

Is it dizzying on your high horses biscuit brigade? There are some, only some, but nevertheless some people as described in the original post, everywhere. To say there aren't is just naive. Some of them have been spoiled all their lives and come from close if uninspiring families. I read at a local school [polishes halo] and asked a 9 year old what she wanted to be when she grew up, she looked at me, laughed and said 'I ain't a mug, I'll have a baby when I'm 14 like all my sisters!' When I asked who she thought would pay for it, she said, 'my mum says so long as mugs like you keep paying tax we'll be fine. That's what you're there for!' AAAAGGGGGHHHHH!

How about using contraception until you know what sort of arsehole the man is??? of course the condom split! dah

Cor that nine year old sounds really bright! Fancy understanding about taxes and things at such a tender age.

My goodness. What a clever LITTLE GIRL.

And what an achingly poigniant post. Beautifully written, I think it will haunt me tonight as I sleep. Especially the bit where you asked a nine year old girl who was going to pay for her imaginary baby.

It really is mind boggling how much the blame for all the ills of society land squarly at the door of young women.

Who knew we had such power?

No, no, no...please do not misunderstand me - I do indeed blame the young tossers that get the women pregnant as much as I blame the women.

I think there is a class element to the issue of shame as well though - the only place you might find it still is amongst the middle class. This is because they have more to lose, naturally.

I know the original reasons for CB being paid to the mum - I just disagree with it completely. If you have children, that is a lifestyle choice of your own...and should not be subsidised by others.

If one of my friends got a girl pregnant and abandoned her to it, i would have no problem with 'judging' him and letting him know I disapproved. People don't do that enough nowadays, in my view - same as when fathers abandon their families for younger models.

Another aspect of this is sex education and the increasing sexualisation of children, of course.

"[I] asked a 9 year old what she wanted to be when she grew up, she looked at me, laughed and said 'I ain't a mug, I'll have a baby when I'm 14 like all my sisters!' When I asked who she thought would pay for it, she said, 'my mum says so long as mugs like you keep paying tax we'll be fine. That's what you're there for!' "

Dear MNHQ, please please let this be quote of the week- it's comedy GOLD.

at quote of the week.

'Having had a few short weeks out of work on one occasion I can tell you that NOBODY can afford a "boob job" on the money given. Unless of course they are also working "cash in hand" and fiddling the system. Have you tried living on benefits? I am here to tell you it is not an easy ride.'

I live in an area where most people are on minimum wage. I get £6 an hour and feel lucky to do so. My husband gets £6.50 an hour. Its not always been an easy ride for us getting no help and being determined to pay on our own. I have had to do all sorts of horrible jobs and have been laughed at by a lot on the estate for it.

I was called a tramp for applying for poundland but I couldnt care less. I was laughed at for having to dress up in the street and give out flyers and actually fell out with my friends over it as they were on benefits but they said I looked like a twat and I was an idiot for doing it for minimum wage. There are quite a fair few benefit claimants that I know that have had that attitude on my estate and that is what I dont like.

So where are the sanctions to address the problem of men just pissing off then?

You have said that you blame them as equally as the women, but it is (in 99 percent of cases) the women who get left holding the baby/child/teenager.

In some states in the US - not that I am any great fan of the way they do things - men who are deficient in their child support get their driving license revoked.

Anyway, I digress. The people who I would really like to see shamed are those who are earning millions of pounds and finding convenient loopholes in law that means that they don't pay their share of the burden. I'd like to see shame on the faces of big business boards who have farmed thousands of jobs abroad so that they can exploit the poor in those countries paying teeny tiny wages, rather than paying decent wages to the people in this country; and then awarding themselves salries which they will never ever be able to spend in their whole lifetimes.

And don't get me started on the banking situation. Why aren't you complaining and shouting about the millions being paid in bonuses to the bank bosses which we AS TAXPAYERS technically own, instead of focussing on the POOREST people in our country.

Baffling.

AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

And that other sound you can hear?

My head, brick wall.

Aspirin anyone?

Me please.

Never mind the bankers and the tax avoiders Shirley, some cunt down the road appear to have a very slightly less shit life than me.

That's what's wrong with this country today. It's PC gone mad I tell you.

DameShirley - you're cross with people like me then. I avoid as much tax as possible (paying myself through my limited company etc etc).

All perfectly legal - who voluntarily pays extra tax that they don't have to?

The Govt technically owns 1 bank and has a 40% stake in another - so Barclays and Goldman etc can pay their staff what they want, according to your argument - which I agree with, I hasten to add!

I agree that men should be penalised for siring children and making no contribution to their upkeep - driving licences taken off them? No good if they don't have one. An attachment to earnings/benefits would be better.

I see altinkum has crawled back out from uner the stone she disappeared under when I reminded her of the shameful part she played in the Riven saga...